Coronaviruses were there before Covid19 and will be there even after this virus. As far as Covid19 is concerned, We might find an effective treatment for this virus which in tandem with the decreasing virus load as the virus mutates might even negate the need for a vaccine. Look back at the Spanish Flu , We still don’t have a vaccine for that even now.
The problem is the magnitude of mobility and connectivity we have today. Covid 19 wouldn’t have become this huge if we weren’t so intensively connected.
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Geneva is running 1k cases per day now - right under the noses of WHO headquarters. Stunning. Europe seems to have made as much a mess of this as the Americans.
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While that is true, the long incubation period makes this pathogen less reliant on modern communications, compared to say Ebola.
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Agreed. But it’s also down to the individualistic “me first” ethos which dominates western ideology.
In East Asian societies, where people actually consider the consequences of their actions on other people, the virus has been controlled far more effectively.
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Well, if this had been before modern medicine half of us on the forum would be dead, so yes but.
But certainly, traveling is a major problem, but the Black Death for instance managed to kill 50% of the population, at least, in Norway, and it spread pretty fast even then. Disappeared over winter in Oslo, then came back on an infamous ship from England to Bergen (then Bjørgvin) and then the country collapsed economically, politically and demographically. It didn’t last more than a year, spread most everywhere.
Today many in Norway have the surname Ødegard (øde/aude means barren/desolate, gård means farm). That means barren farm /desolated farm. It is from then. A lot of land was available after the Black Plague had killed 50% plus. It means their forefathers moved to a desolate farm and took over.
Since this is a football forum, the best example would be Martin Ødegård. His ancestors took over a farm that was barren after the Black Death.
A bit on the side this maybe, but I do fancy my digressions at times 
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They are going into lockdown, starting tonight. It’s the Geneva area, and not the federal state, who decided that. Meanwhile, the federal state are still doing what they like best: doing nothing, despite of 22k new cases over the week-end, nation-wide.
With hindsight, the European nations (apart maybe from Germany and a few other nordic countries, where people stayed very prudent) behaved after the first lockdown as if the virus didn’t exist anymore. We pay now the price for it.
Btw, I’m in quarantine for the remainder of the week now, after my daughter tested positive (very light symptoms, most of them are already over). I know literally dozens of friends and aquaintances who find themselves in the same situation. So, if I stop posting in the near future, you’ll know the reason. 
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Well, damn. Glad to hear your daughter is pulling through. Household transmission is fairly high probability unfortunately. Take it easy and make sure you are as well rested as possible to fight it off. We will have to ask the Reds for a couple of early goals this week so as to make the match low-stress.
It does sound like in much of Europe, people just thought of it as past. I commented in August that a colleague was shocked at how few masks he saw compared to here. We are only sort of making a mess of it here, went to escalated measures October 10 and it appears to be slowly pulling our rate of infection down. Numbers are still scary though.
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Yeah I know, I’m quite fatalistic about it. If it happens, it happens. But if my wife or myself get it, we are quite well-equipped to fight it off, as we aren’t part of any risk group, and in a reasonable physical shape. I have close friends of my age who got it during the last days, and they suffer from very slight symptoms. So, unless there is some hidden disease which will be revealed by the sickness, we should be fine.
The annoying thing could be, if one of us picks it up, that it prolongs the quarantine for everyone. So, I cross fingers that we’ll escape it, or that we already got it and are asymptomatic.
(I’ll take the two early goals, definitely!)
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Stay safe to those residing in the Merseyside area 
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Best of luck to you and your family and stay safe
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Good thread on it here.
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1322312747594502151?s=19
In short there are three numbers.
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480K Tests is the government “capacity” used in a very loose way. This is a hypothetical number based upon everything being perfect.
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347K Tests, this is the actual number of tests performed
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Unknown number of people tested, 347K includes dublicates tested, controls etc
To place into context, Slovakia tested 3.6 Millon people (2/3rd of population) in 2 days.
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At least we have an excuse in England - Our Government are absolutely useless. Not sure other countries can use the same excuse
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Yeh! Ha! In your face other countries!
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Really this should be unlawful during a pandemic.
Spreading David Icke type nonsense, has real implications not only for an individual but for others that come into contact with them.
The UK has a real problem with such views becoming more mainstream. From the new Reform Party to the Telegraph.
It’s manipulative, damaging, misinformation. Sowing division and hate for self serving purposes. The failure to call it out will be the downfall of the UK
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I imagine it is. Endangering public health.
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Surely, the leaflet is pretending to be an official leaflet from the Government. I would have thought that would be illegal in itself, not just on the grounds of endangering public health?
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You would think so…it tastes like horse piss…
And yet, it’s fucking everywhere. Good marketing I guess…
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Around 2,000 military personnel supporting the huge testing programme will arrive in Liverpool from Thursday.
