The Corona Pandemic

This is a much understated point in the official discourse regarding that illness imo. If you have a strong immune system, you have a much better chance to fight off this and other viruses.

There are natural antibiotics and anti-oxydants which can help to fight off illnesses in general. My wife and myself make ourselves a natural drink made from kefir grains, every day since around a year (a friend gave us kefir grains with some instructions how to prepare the beverage), and since then, we both haven’t got any kind of illness, not even a cold. Our daughter got the coronavirus (light symptoms) and we were locked up in quarantine with her for ten days recently, and developed no symptoms at all.

I can only recommend it. It has a good taste, if well prepared! :clinking_glasses:

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I hope they will all be okay in the end. Sadly, I think without a massive vaccine program, everyone must expect to get it, at least in countries with high infection rates.
Crossing fingers for your kin. What Arminius says, is good advice of course.

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I drink lots of gin! That seems to be working as well, so far!

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With tonic?

Of course.

Medicinal :+1:

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Not if you want to ward off Malaria (according to my old Dad, and he knew about such things) :crazy_face:

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You’ll have to post your favourite serving suggestions.

Finished a book called Spillover: Animal Infections and the Next Human Pandemic last night, and it is quite jarring to see how thoroughly understood the risk of a new coronavirus breaking out of an animal reservoir and spreading through humanity really was. One of several identified such risks, along with the filovirus nasties, so not prophetic in any sense, rather an inventory of looming threats, but it is startling to see it set down so plainly in 2012.

Collectively, we basically failed to heed the free warning SARS provided.

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With pleasure. Here is a site with some suggestions:

https://www.littleecofootprints.com/2014/11/how-to-make-water-kefir-recipe.html

My receipt is simple enough: put a handful of kefir grains under fresh water, and then in a jar for jam, which you can close efficiently. Add three spoons of brown cane sugar, the half of a fresh lemon, and fill the jar with fresh water.

Close the jar and put it into a place which is reasonably protected from too much light, at room temperature. Wait between 24 and 48 hours. Then you open the jar, and put the liquid in bottles which you can hermetically close, by filtering the grains from the liquid*. Put the bottles into the fridge.

After 12 hours, you get a deliciously refreshing, slightly bubbly beverage. Delicious.


*The kefir grains get then the same treatment again: wash them and the jar with fresh water, and you’re good for the next round.

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Thanks. Just borrowed it from the local Overdrive library. :+1:

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Yeah, it is the time for reading such “feel good” informative books for sure, so one can be at least, better, prepared for the next apocalypse.

A bit tongue in cheek that. I am sure the book was very informative and a thoroughly good read in terms of yielding useful and interesting knowledge.

Related to your book, the Danes are in political turmoil now after having exterminated all the minks in the country. Apparently it was an illegal order and a virologists have called it a massive over reaction. They panicked due to that mutation discussed previously, since the fear was that a future vaccine would not work. Thankfully, the mutations seems to have disappeared and has not been registered in humans for some time.

The Danish government still thinks the industry should be closed (not getting into the animal welfare aspect here, which would make my post more complex and longer ) for the reasons you and your book note. Also some drama with thousands of destructed minks falling out from a trailer and, well, making the highway hellscape. Also, very much drama from the very many farmers who agreed to kill all of their animals on order from the PM, which turned out to be an illegal order (she could just order minks from infected farms destructed, as well as all minks in a 7.4 km zone outside such farms, so extra drama because of this).

Articles are in Danish and Norwegian. Google translate works okay if anyone wants to read the details, since I can hardly be bothered to write them all.

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So South Australia has a new outbreak with 18 new cases. A hotel quarantine worker spread the virus to 13 people in the community. This raises a few questions:

  • How often are the quarantine workers tested? Doesnt seem often enough?
  • Why isnt Australia using a similar system to China which also has very strict border control, but requires a negative COVID-19 certificate before boarding to enter the country? I understand that is far from fool proof but it will reduce the chances of introducing the virus back into a clean country.

Fucking returning travellers.

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The apathy is expected but it is astounding from governments.

Here in the UK a number of government MP’s, including Johnson are now self isolating after attending 10 Downing St for a gathering as Johnson tried to reconnect with MP’s. No masks, no safe distancing and a slightly odd decision not to undertake the meeting on line.

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Vaccine update Klaxxon!

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I watched an interview with one of the guys from CureVac last week and he said that the special refrigeration rules would just be an added safety rule to speed up the approval process and that they think that their vaccine could sustain in normal refrigerators as well.

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https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/15/coronavirus-emerged-in-italy-earlier-than-thought-study-shows.html

Trump has started a trade war with Italy and is now calling it the Italian Virus(maybe not yet,but he will when he reads this)

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Important to note here that their 95% effectiveness is based on a different, arguably less meaningful, endpoint than the Pfizer vaccine - protection from infection vs reduction in symptom severity when infected. Given there isn’t a great way to compare them yet it’s going to be interesting to see what happens in terms of which one becomes the dominant option. I’m guessing consumers wont give it a second thought and those who are inclined to be vaccinated will just rush to get “the vaccine”,

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Except to say that Modema was on the EU list / task force thingy that Hancock decided the UK was too good for.

Modema were also not one of the companies that the UK had pre agreements with. I do believe however they are talking.

I could be wrong, I usually am.

Still good news worldwide.

Yes, I wonder if these sorts of political issues will be the biggest determinant of which vaccine we get to have. Pfizer were not part of the the US’ Operation Warp Speed, but Moderna were. I wonder if that means the US will focus its distribution efforts on the companies they have already been working with leaving Pfizer with more of a focus on Europe.

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