The European Union

Vaccines? That’s some woke DEI elitist globalist WEF crap! We don’t need no 5G chips in our bodies!

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Did they send any has-been pop stars?

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I think this was intended as a genuine engineering proposition, but I bet they had Peter Schilling on their playlist.

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Fortunately, it appears that he won’t reach 50%, meaning a second vote will be required. Whoever stands against him in that run-off will hopefully win.

On a lighter note…

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Giving the voting trends in the annulled elections, I’m not as optimistic as you…

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He made roughly 40% of the votes, and a second round will be needed:

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Disaster in Romania.

Oh no! Are the Cheeky Girls dead?

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Sadly not, it is slightly worse. Russia looks like it will get another mole in the EU, making the union even more dysfunctional than it already is.

Nation of idiots. Almost half of the electorate didn’t bother to vote and those who did are angry for banning Putin’s puppet from running.

@Arminius mentioned that being associated with Trump is akin to having a millstone around your neck in elections. Maybe that’s true in some cases, but they are rare and far between. There are millions of morons who admire and sympathise with Trump, especially in Europe.

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The Gorilla is correct. No excuses, no if’s and but; but empirically it is so.
https://x.com/GorillaOSINT/status/1923474333839564989

Cataclysmic European failure on all levels.

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Is this accurate though? I obviously agree with you that more should have been done from the off, but these days, the EU contributes to a lot of arms and munitions spent to Ukraine, isn’t it? And it’s only increasing with time going by.
On the other hand, North Korea offers cannon fodder to Russia. But how much, and what else?

Generally, looking at the last few months, I’d agree with the statement that Putin (and Trump) have awoken a giant. The question will now be how fast the European continent will be able to go back to a genuine economy of war.

It is absolutely accurate. Production was not scaled up in 2022 and 2023, not near the scale needed for Ukraine. There are individual exceptions, but GBR, Germany and France , did very little.

The scale is what matters. The war would have been over long ago, Russian armies reatreated back to Russia, if dysfunctional European powers had been willing to spend any where near the money that the Baltic and Nordic states have spent in terms of GDP.

It is not just “more should have been done”, the scale of what has been done is minimalistic in the extreme by the larger EUR states.
And I wonder if you even read the thread if you ask what else North Korea has contributed with . It is written in lenght about their ballistic missile shipments, but crucially, the many millions of artillery shells it has sent to Russia. So yes, North Korea has contributed much more than the EU. As for troops number of North Korea, I have posted this many times before. At first 12 000, later around 8000 more. It is significant.

And you are dead wrong about EU contributions increasing with time. This is true only in air defence (which does not win you wars at all; as you can only win by shooting the archer) and artillery shells after Rheinmetal got up its production. Most of the heavy weapons sent to Ukraine by EU, was sent in 2022 and 2023 and there were no large orders at scale sent to defence industry. And there isn’t today either. Storm Shadow ? Not in production. France produces a few Scalp, scale is minimal. Taurus, the missile Germany might send a very few of to UKR, not in production, orders were never sent to industry to enlargen stocks. How long do you think it takes to re-open production lines and even increse them in scale ? Many months, scale, years. This was not done. How many extra leopard tanks are now in production in Germany ? Very few, all going to NATO. Leclerc ? nope. And so on, and so on.
I find it absolutely baffling that you can even ask if it is accurate given what has been posted in lenght, not only by me here, but discussed daily by experts on twitter and elsewhere. There is no extensive rearmament program in place in Europe. Germany is starting now, but only now, after the election of Merz.
Other than this, you have Denmark, Poland, Finland and the Baltic states.

Point is, it’s not just about money, but how money is spent too.

That EU and rest of Europe did not act imediately after Trump was elected, who had a position that was well known, is itself an indictment too.

Some seem to think that there is no “haste”. There was absolutely great haste in 2023, yet nothing happened. Ukraine could have won the war long ago, but we are allowing it to lose the war and then gain a critical threat due to this in a few years from a revitalised revnchist empire that keeps winning. When empires win in wars of conquest, historically, they don’t stop.

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You can bet that I don’t read everything in it. :wink:

Thanks for the explanations though.

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I’m just exasperated, worried and ashamed.
There is a looming crisis that we don’t take seriously. It is on a scale way worse than Corona, but our MSM have no time for it and neither reports about the war nor of what experts assess is the likely outcome if it is not dealt with.

But sure, Ru may have awoken a giant, I tend to agree. But forgive me for saying it, but it won’t help Ukraine, which is our chosen sacrifical lamb. They trusted us, voted with us, wanted to be like us, and we are discarding them to be culturally and politically annihilated by Pacman. But scaling up and rearmament, particularly when so slow, takes many, many years and most countries are busy looking at each other, hoping that the other does more so that it can do less. There is no sense of urgency. There is no sense of a real crisis.

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This is always the way: until people feel the effects of something smack them in the face, they aren’t concerned with it.

See also: climate crisis.

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That’s a very good point, of course.

But I wonder how we in the West are going to tackle that, if we have fucked up with Russia, so we have to focus on defence. It is all so uncessary. It could have been over by now, I am not exaggerating when I say that Ru could have been defeated by now.
Instead, we are going to have to waste billions and billions to rearm to face a later threat in a few years. Those money should have been spent on Climate Change, to save Mother Earth.

Also, when you rearm and defence industry and enlargening armed forces becomes a focus, there tends to be a sociopolitical and cultural shift to a more militaristic way of thinking. A "harder " way to view others. Some nationalism will also inevitably follow. I don’t want that tbh. It would have been so better to nap it in the bud instead of wasting our Peace Era. I don’t know if I make sense in this segment, but I think you understand a bit of what I am trying to say, with a bad choice of words.

There is a saying. Hard Times creates Strong Men etc. I don’t really want that many strong men, because they will inevitably make brutal priorities. But it will then be necessary by then.