As funny as it is to watch the vultures circling Chelsea, why would he jump from poisoned chalice to another.
Apart from the pay, I think there are some aspects of the Utd job that would be quite appealing to a manager. They remain a financial juggernaut, and rebuilding their side over the next 3-5 years to make it successful again would do a lot for his reputation. The squad itself is a real mix in quality and playing style - if you can gradually phase in 2-3 players each season that improve the quality and playing identity of the squad, things could rebound pretty quickly for them.
The only drawback for him or any incoming manager is the structure behind them - if he gets to shape that too, then there may be little downside. If he doesn’t then there is a risk that the structure gets in the way of him fixing the team.
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Is Tuchel, the United board, and most importantly, the Scum fans going to be that patient?
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I don’t see how they have a choice! The fans and players seem to realize how finger-fucked they are, it’s just a matter of whether the owners see it, or care.
Aye, last night when coupled with missing out on the CL altogether could be the kick in the arse needed to finally understand they are not one high spending summer away from being title challengers.
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I think they would do. Tuchel is a much better coach and manager than both Ole and Ralfie. He is also more practical so I don’t think he would have the same issues that Ralfie has had recently. He also has a decent track record - the CL success last season will give him space.
The board have shown they are not really hire and fire merchants, the managers are getting sacked when there is little alternative. Mourinho was completely toxic by the end and Ole was way out of his depth.
I notice you didn’t answer the part about the fans. Just remember, 4…4 days ago, Ronaldo scored a hattrick and that was the only thing on anyone’s lips. The shit the club is in, and how Ronaldo himself has only worsened it, were completely forgotten about.
No, these fans are very fucking easily distracted. 98% have never seen rock-bottom, and probably the same percentage think they have already hit it. Its fun to think they spent 20 years taking the piss out of us for being naive and they are going through precisely the same thing. I hope they can hover with their heads just above the waterline for a few years more before realisation sets in.
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I included them as part of the ‘they’. Yes, their fans are fickle, but I see them getting behind Tuchel. Ralfie’s arrival came with a question mark as to whether his reputation as a manager was deserved. Although they were initially bullish, that petered out pretty quickly. He has also been somewhat inflexible with his approach which has left some of his key players exposed. I don’t like Tuchel but I think he is a talented coach/manager and he has won a major trophy recently.
If the club spends the next 3 years buying dross that does not fit a set playing style then fans will probably turn on him, but I can see him getting more out of the current squad that Ralfie and Ole.
The one thing that Tuchel hasn’t really done is built a team since Mainz, which is exactly what would be required of him. His time at Dortmund was not particularly successful considering the side he inherited, and his relations with Dortmund management ended up getting him punted. The same thing happened at PSG, where it was again difficult to say that he took the team forward. His major success came with a Chelsea side that he inherited entirely, and has not gone nearly as well since.
Considering the problem set at ManU will be rebuilding a side while working effectively with a problematic club management, he is almost perfectly wrong for them.
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Ralf did give Tuchel his first chance at coaching. It won’t necessarily be a bad move for United. Ticks a lot of boxes, Tuchel is a guy well versed in gegenpressing and there can be mutual respect between them which helps in the two working together to identify transfer targets etc etc.
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But if Chelsea’s takeover does happen quickly , Tuchel would be mad to jump to United. He’s got quite a lot of good players with him and a very very large assortment of youth players including the likes of Gallagher, Livramento (who i believe chelsea have a buy back clause on) , gilmour…
There’s enough in that chelsea team for him to sink his teeth on.
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Despite Tuchel being in charge of Chelsea and having a major chip on his shoulder when it comes to Jurgen for some reason. I think he seems a decent man. Would ideally want him out of the premier league , He can manage a Real or a Bayern etc.
It doesn’t matter who they appoint. The structure underneath is rotten.
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Dortmund was more a personality issue though wasnt it? He started off well, and the things came of the rails and they couldnt wait for him to leave. At PSG recruitment was down to Leonardo who he fell out with?
As @Sithbare says, if he teams up with Ralf to identify and bring in players, Utd could get a more coherent and consistent side together.
On the plus side he could just get toxic again 
This. They’re obsessed with commercial revenues and brand appeal. They care about winning only in the context of it bringing more commercial revenue and improving their brand.
They don’t have the stomach for a proper cultural reset and spending a few seasons in mid table while they clear out the shite from the squad and let a proper progressive manager construct a team and youth system that will be sustainable for the long term. They don’t see the squad as a load of shite needing cleared out, they see it as recognizable “big” names that drive a lot of web traffic and merch sales. They offered Pogba their biggest ever contract to stay, ffs!
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Right, but that is my point - at two big clubs, his personality has contributed to rising friction as he was trying to build his team. As they underperformed expectations, those overseeing him started to interfere, and he escalated. Not all his fault, but it sounds very much like the probable situation the next ManU manager will have to navigate.
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Agreed. If that guy with a face like a slapped arse who has fallen out with everyone he’s ever worked with can just develop a good working relationship with the Utd brass in one of the most dysfunctional environments in professional sports they may just be on to a winner
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I think for the likes of Jurgen and Tuchel perhaps, They look at it in terms of legacy. Jurgen’s legacy will be that he competed with clubs with way more financial ability than his own clubs and still redefined the gameplay and was very successful.
Is Tuchel looking to be the same w.r.t legacy. That need himself might want him to take the Man Utd job. He’s never had a club where he could say that he was the visionary who got them to the next level. With PSG and Chelsea , you never think that is anything serious. Not with having strong teams and unlimited finances. With teams like Liverpool and now Man Utd, there is always a romantic aspect to the job. LVG tried and failed at it , as did Jose. Tuchel might be the guy who wants to use such a club (In a pathetic stage) as something that is his legacy when he leaves the managerial arena (Something which defines what he is as a manager)
Damn, sometimes you just don’t know which emoji to use, when something is really funny, absolutely correct, and you love to see it.
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