I don’t usually get too involved in this thread, but have to say I’m fucked off with these owners.
I mean, FFS, apart from bringing us Jurgen, Sadio, Gini, Virgil, Mo, Robbo, Ali, Thiago, Jota, Diaz, Konate, Darwin, Cody, Champions League, European Super Cup, World Club Cup, Premier League, League Cup, FA Cup, new main stand, new Anfield road stand, new training complex… what the fuck have these owners done?
They have yet to file personal bankruptcy by donating their billion dollars so that we can buy ten 100mil players. It’s all for the greater good but they just can’t see it
by their own admission an asset they bought not Ten years ago for 350 widgets is now worth 10 x that.
apart from a few hysterics, most of the comments seem more along the lines of;
ok, weve done really well here, but you do have a once in a generation manager, and the market has moved up a gear, if we dont up the Ante a bit regarding turning this squad over, then in all likelehood, the Next CL and league trophy isnt around the corner.
i dont think many people were calling for this year in year out, its just now, when you can see a real transition happening, that you want to see a bit more from them.
to put it another way, thier plan seems sound, build a team, and go deep when the time requires it, and thats an overview that appears to have served us OK/well regarding Squad composition over the journey (we wasted one season cutting corners on centre backs and another one- this season- seemingly doing similar with the midfield, so while the hits have been great, its the misses that cant be quantified that feel like an issue) but the game has shifted since they laid thier plans, the money required to remain relevant has moved significantly…
its not really that contoversial, or divisive as people want to make out…the games moved a bit, probably right at the time we needed a rebuild, unfortunately, and to make the most of this great manager and set up, a bit more might need to be thrown into the pot…then you have the public admission that they want to release some of thier ownership, which rightly or wrongly, casts a bit of a shadow over the clubs direction, and you have this rising feeling of-mistrust seems like the wrong word- of FSG.
they’ve made plenty of coin over the journey from thier ventures, dont feel too much like the need to stick up for them, they are business men, this is a business, and we are the clientell…they expect us to pay premiums for every kind of service they provide, so we can have our expectations of what we expect this successful, valuable club to do to remain relevant at the top of the tree
i often wonder why people post this type of stuff…i really dont think anyone has even gone close to suggesting anything near this…
And you would think I am deluded that any sensible fans would suggest that. And if I Have to explain, it is just being sarcastic to some posters here who will never think the owners had done enough. When we performed well, it’s Klopp and the squad but when we performed badly, it’s the owners fault and you can’t say there are none of such posters here, but thankfully only a handful.
then why do you in particular, but others also, go into that territory everytime someone mentions something negative…or not even negative, justsomething not positive- regarding the owners?
ridicule is OK, sometimes humorous…but everytime, as a defence, for something so pivitol as the debate about what we should expect/request from our owners?
for the record…im not demanding anything from them…im stating an opinion, and that is that the old plan of spending what we earn was more than viable for a while…now it requires a bit more. (opinion)
if we stand still…we lose ground…hell, even if we travel at 200 clicks an hour, we lose ground on the guys travelling 250 clicks.
its really not that controversial, people pointing out this opinion really arent spoilt brats…
David Moores was eventually priced out of taking the club forward, Jack Walker in the current market wouldnt register a blip, no ones gonna come from the Chester youth set up and be our main striker for thenext 8 years…
the enviroment has changed.
as for the debate about whether Klopp would spend extra funds, im a realist on the issue…you dont get to be where he is in football by digging your heels in and refusing to sign players…hes working within a set of parameters…if those parameters were widened a bit, im sure wed have a different midfield already…i have no evidence, im not going to quote him, im not going to look at his history…
“Invest in a responsible manner” It means nothing, because someone like Bellingham may be 150M but then how old is he? if he stays here for 10 years then that is $15m/year which seems to me to be a sensible investment.
It all has to make business sense to the owners and signing the right players and spending $200m + can still be a responsible investment if the results are there and the trophies keep rolling in.
Look at it on the other hand if we don’t spend a good amount for the right players would that amount to being Irresponsible?
Getting a bit sarky, eh? Yes, I’m just a spoilt brat who doesn’t appreciate what he’s been given and who wants it all and he wants it now.
As @Redbj so eloquently stated above, we are in a time transition and our rivals have more money than anyone has ever had in football, therefore we will have to splash the cash to get the players we need in order to remain competitive.
I am not waving an ‘FSG Out!’ flag, but I do want them to not be so financially cautious and to be prepared to spend more on transfers this summer. Particularly when there are very good, and therefore very expensive, players available who seem to really want to be part of LFC.
OK. Did not really read through but I will continue to be sarcastic when I think I should. There is no need for mutual agreement here.
Point stands. We’ve spent loads of money on players to replace other players - most of them who left on a free.
To say FSG do not back the manager financially is some bullshit by people who seem to spend most of their time with video games.
Two only mistakes:
we did not replace Lovren rightaway and went on to have a nightmare season because of injuries.
we did not sign a new midfielder early last summer because the manager trusted the players he had.
Correct, although I might add that we’d be okay had that shithead t-rex not maimed Virgil.
i think FSG need to input more money to transfers going forward for us to remain consistently competitive
i dont play video games
Took the words right out of my mouth! Brilliantly put!
Glad that you have seen what I seen as well!
Although it is worth remembering that at one point we had something like eight centre backs out injured.
The idea that buying a single centre back would have saved the season is slightly fanciful, and going big on a CB as Lovren left would have probably meant we couldn’t get Konate.
This is the bit where I disagree. Building a team, keeping it together and building a new one when it ages out, is Klopp’s plan. That’s what he’s spoken extensively about being his wish, going right back to his Dortmund days, when Bayern would pinch his spine every year and he’d have to start again. He spoke about how envious he was of Madrid maintaining their team in the aftermath of Kiev, and he has been at pains to stress his loyalty to his squad and his players.
There is a lot of confusion about where FSG ends and Klopp begins, and a desire to pin every problem on FSG, based on a preconceived notion that they are extractive owners, and excuse Klopp of any culpability for the decisions made around the squad. It’s classic bias.
The thing that has become like nails down a blackboard for me is the idea that FSG are failing to ‘back the manager’ (by which they mean let him buy more players). You see on Twitter, on here, across various fan podcasts and the like. The irony of that sentiment. Jurgen doesn’t want four new players a year or think we should be dropping £100m a year net on the squad. He’s never wanted that. And FSG are ones accused of not backing him?
Keita: 2018-2023. 129 games, 6465 mins, 11 goals and seven assists
Lallana: 2014-2020: 178 games, 10751 mins, 22 goals and 22 assists
His recent comments indicate otherwise. If you believe everything the manager says then fair enough. Next time he says he didn’t see a contentious incident, just ignore the phalanx of iPads and screens available to him. Amazing he always has a very clear view of every bad tackle on our players but never sees the contrary. I’m sure you get my point.
Before United, when we were shit with zero midfield, he did talk about the need/requirement to spend. The idea that he wouldn’t want to spend £500m per window on the finest players in the world is frankly lunacy. He just doesn’t (usually) criticise his employers in public. Quite a good idea really.
Bloody hell, when Adam Lallana has more minutes per season that you, you need a new fitness coach.
They also own Formula 1 - which is worth silly money. F1’s also being sport washed to the highest levels now.