Fair points mattyhurst. All I’m saying is the current ECL does us no favours and this new ESL will and it should lead to us playing Real, Barca et all every year instead of once every 5-10 years. That’s much more appealing to me, as is the prospect of expanding the competition outside of Europe, especially for some of the best South American teams.
Meanwhile, Spurs have sacked Jose. The world’s gone mad Ted !! - mad I tell ya!!
This is being missed by everyone currently ranting about this.
Concerned about the Champions League becoming a closed shop? It was already planned to be just that. Awarding ‘wildcard’ entry on the basis of co-efficient history basically guarantees to big teams that they are getting in regardless of a dodgy league season.
Personally, I don’t see this happening but I do see both parties ending up round the table and thrashing out a deal on the real bone of contention here - TV rights.
Personally, I think the real issue with the ESL would be in the fallacious reasoning that because something is good that means it would be better if it happened all the time. Having read the statements from the clubs the thing that jumps out is the desire to provide more showcase matches and big games.
I think John Henry, Aleggri, the Glazers etc are mistaken if they believe that weekly games against the European superpowers would multiply the magic of the occasional games against those teams, once a year in the latter stages. A Quarter Final against Madrid or a Semi against Bayern are special because they are rare, and can be directly contrasted with the more humdrum nature of our league fixtures.
All this will do is turn the exotic into the mundane, and I am not at sure that the global interest in seeing the biggest stars at the biggest clubs competing with each other will be continually there if they are doing it every week.
Yup, a lot of the CL group star games are pretty boring. It comes to life at knockout stage. Playing RM, Barca or Bayern every 3-5 years adds to romance, rather than up to 4 times per year 
Oh, and fuck knows why Arsenal and Spurs are in there. They’ve never won the European Cup. Arsenal haven’t competed in it for years. Might as well invite Everton.
Genuine question- why are the views in this forum so different to other Liverpool fans, and football fans in general?
Most of the posters are way older than the average fans and most of them have some ties with Liverpool (club and city).
There’s a wide cross section of views being expressed, which views do you mean?
Juve have been trying to change the CL for years now they want a new league. No a great bedfellow jumping in with an Italian billionaire who just shafted his best friend and godfather to his kid. I think there is an something like a civil war going on in EUFA.
Yeah have found that really interesting. Just seems consistent outrage outside of the forum, whereas most popular views here seem in favour (or at least afraid of missing out)
Maybe us scousers see the club as an integral part of our history and community whereas if you have no ties to the city, you simply support the franchise. I can see that…
If you support LFC the franchise, then this looks like a jolly fine idea. I’m pretty sure that’s how John Henry and JP Morgan see it.
Neither have City
I think a lot of people are actually angry at the wrong things.
Bad points;
1 “Closed shop”; UEFA changes to CL was already going to do this.
2 More Games; UEFA chsnges to CL was already going to do this.
3 Move based on greed; In football? No shit.
4 End of Romance; A team can’t just win the top prize by having one great season. It’s got to be a good/great season by say winning the CL or EL followed by a great season when they’ve therefore qualified for the Super League and then have a crack.
Good points;
1 End to the “top 4” being the driving force on domestic football. More focus from the “big 6” on winning domestic trophies than sacrificing them to the need of finishing top 4 (although every placement in the league is still worth millions and pride as well in finishing as high as possible).
2 No more meaningless games out in the arsehole of nowhere that win, lose or draw those teams are never going to stand a realistic chance of winning it.
3 Sorry I like the idea of playing these other Super teams every year.
4 It takes finances away from the corrupt bully boys of UEFA and puts it in the hands of clubs therefore helping the clubs and football instead of fat cats.
5 May actually have fans at finals instead of UEFA chums accounting for as much as 2 thirds of the tickets.
For me all the negative, bad shit wad already going on or being brought in by UEFA. I don’t think this Super League is ideal, ideally UEFA gets brought into line and real change happens there/CL. But I don’t think the things people are angry at this League for are the way they seem to think they are.
be interesting to see each formats proposed policy for investment into grass roots football.
i mean, just to playt devils advocate here, but if the Club Proposed format pumped more money into domestic amatuer, womens and junior football, would people change thier perspective a bit?
lets just say a new organisation was formed who recieved funding from the ESL, was run by shrewd business men and whose sole aim was to remain profitable and re invest back into the various federations (but not directly by a cheque to the relevant FA, im talking about directly funding youth training programs, facilites and grants for community amatuer clubs for things like kits and grounds maitenance)
be interesting to see.
The problem, as always with whoever is in charge, is that the money generated doesn’t go to where it should.
Yes, great, stop putting money into the hands of UEFA but you’re naive if you think the money will now not be going into the hands of owners and investors.
Football needs seismic reform and UEFA and FIFA have shown themselves to be incapable of it. I have little faith that the clubs will actually make it much better.
Wages and transfer fees need to be brought back in line, the price of supporting your team needs to be made affordable to the local communities that clubs sit within, money needs to properly funnel down to grass roots, solidarity and training compensation payments need to be substantially revised, all clubs need to commit to a minimum of a living wage, clubs ought to be mandated to invest in infrastructure and projects that benefit their local populations. The PFA and other football unions need revamping, player welfare issues need properly supporting, discrimination needs to be dealt with using the firmest of hands, social media companies need holding to account. Money coming into the game should be from ethical sources. Greater considerations should be given towards environmental factors. Support should be made available to developing football leagues abroad.
All of this needs addressing. But this can really only come from governments. Right now it’s just rich men fighting over who ought to become richer.
Do you not think that the likes of Henry and Kroenke will be pushing for salary caps? My memory isn’t great but I’m sure that’s something Henry has wanted for awhile.
Agents, their fee’s and influence needs a massive overhaul for example.
If there are two leagues of 10 surely this would increase the amount of dead rubbers if only the top four qualify for the QFs?
1 isn’t quite right though is it, expansion to 36 with the 32 still coming via the usual routes.
That’s very different from the proposal of 5 invited clubs for at least its first couple of seasons, though I don’t expect that ever to expand, the PL has never over time.
Oh yes, he will be but to what end? To make clubs more profitable? Sure. To ensure more of the revenue generated can then be more equitably distributed to causes that benefit local communities and grass roots? Not so sure.
Am I in a parallel universe here? We are the fat cats here, making plans to ruin it for everyone else.
You made some good minor points above but ultimately the lack of meritocracy makes it the ultimate culmination of billionaire greed. We should leading the way in opposing this and reforming UEFA, PL etc…not becoming a monster to defeat a monster
Anyone see the photo of the flag outside Anfield.