The Referees or The Twelfth Man

[Limiescouse]

Because he brought the coke

[GermanRed]

@aussielad

I wonder how Fabian Hurzeler will feel next time Coote is either ref or VAR for a Brighton game

Coote is done as a referee.

[sandsoftime]

I wonder if any investigative journalist could be arsed deep diving into the betting activity of his mates… If they are openly having conversations like this when they are blitzed… it is just one small easy peasy step to next stage of outright corruption

[JU97ICE]

@Limiescouse

but more that they are egotists driven by getting even by people who have ever not treated them with the adoration they think they deserve

That’s the crux right there.

[Livvy]

https://x.com/AndyCantwell/status/1856030914360332708

[SBYM]

This is 100% a kick on after a club or something. They’re high as fuck and I’d bet my mortgage he didn’t know the other bloke or cameraman before the night that video was taken.

Good judgement all round…

[JU97ICE]

@jaffod

fucking conspiracy theorist etc by fellow Liverpool supporters as I watch my club being shafted out of at least 3 titles has been absolutely soul-destroying.

Mate, I don’t think you’ll find many on here that disagree or have disagreed with you that referees have biases.

But if there’s a top to bottom (across FA, PGMOL, PL etc) conspiracy theory, those things usually involve too many moving parts, and too many people, for silence on it to persist. How does succession happen? Introduction of new refs into the conspiracy? I find that train of thought fanciful.

No. I don’t think the PL or FA have an agenda against us.

But what you say about it club working silently behind the scenes with PGMOL to have outcomes at don’t know about, I’m sure this has happened over recent years.

I also find what that arsenal lad was saying about knowing someone who has connections with PGMOL that know the PGMOL hierarchy is upset with Arteta. Does that mean they will have an unspoken (or spoken) bias against them?

[SBYM]

DT is just worried that his prison sex tape is going to surface.

[Mascot]

@jaffod

Really funny to see on Sky tonight they were showing a re-run of Ref Watch and Dermott Gallagher expressing astonishment that the referee didn’t call a foul against Salah. All with a big picture of Coote in the background.
That should be him done. There can be no way back for him, certainly not as a PL referee. He cannot be allowed to ‘referee’ another LFC game or one that has any impact on us.

Funny how that video seems unavailable. I can find the discussion of the two Villa shouts, but not that one?

@jaffod

This is as close to the ‘smoking gun’ many of us have been waiting for. Being called a tinfoil hat wearer, a fucking conspiracy theorist etc by fellow Liverpool supporters as I watch my club being shafted out of at least 3 titles has been absolutely soul-destroying. As Quicksand pointed out earlier on this is the tip of the iceberg, anyone thinking otherwise at this point is fucking delusional.

I still don’t think that we’re talking about a conspiracy to defraud Liverpool of success, as in an organised network of operators with stated aims and objectives.

But I do think that anti-Liverpool sentiment is rife in this country, which is represented within PGMOL. Similar to how there is an anti-Muslim/anti-Foreigner sentiment, which leads to Mo Salah have to do his amazing stuff with two lads dangling off his neck.

I think there is an over-representation of residents of Greater Manchester within PGMOL ranks, where there is a greater than usual anti-Liverpool sentiment.

I think that there is an absolute fucking madness in putting a man in change of refereeing who will have had his view of football, and LFC, shaped by his time working for the organisation who were at the centre of the biggest miscarriage of justice in football history, and by the men who perpetrated it.

I think that the system for rewarding and promoting referees is based not on their competence and judgement, but on their self belief, arrogance and superiority complex, as those are the traits that survive ascending through the grassroots game.

I think that too many referees come to Anfield intent on making a statement about their strength and character, as opposed to getting decisions right.

[Redbj]

@Quicksand

But why would anyone make a random video like that, and then keep it for a period of time?

Edited …didnt realise he admitted it…

[WeeJoe]

He’s admitted it so we can stop the ridiculous deep fake speculation

[Mascot]

@Redbj

@Quicksand

But why would anyone make a random video like that, and then keep it for a period of time?

IF its fake, then its probably some deranged LFC fan, not realising the actual damage they are doing…

If its proved to be fake the PGMOL need never defend any of the previous discretions against us, they just point to LFC having a deranged agenda driven fan base…regardless of the legitimacy

who knows, maybe that was the original motivation

He’s admitted it’s real.

[jaffod]

@JU97ICE

Mate, I don’t think you’ll find many on here that disagree or have disagreed with you that referees have biases.

But if there’s a top to bottom (across FA, PGMOL, PL etc) conspiracy theory, those things usually involve too many moving parts, and too many people, for silence on it to persist. How does succession happen? Introduction of new refs into the conspiracy? I find that train of thought fanciful.

I don’t know how long you’ve been on here but I can tell you one thing, 3 or 4 years ago when people like myself and Quicksand were in a small minority we were getting all sorts of shite thrown at us. It’s only as time has gone by and the corruption has become more and more obvious that people’s opinions have changed.
As for your point on it being a major conspiracy involving too many people etc, nobody has ever claimed that and that has been pointed out time after time. It doesn’t have to be like that. It just needs cheats like Coote, Tierney, Kavanagh (Webb and Atkinson before them) to carry their bias and prejudice onto the pitch when refereeing our matches.

[jaffod]

@Mascot

I still don’t think that we’re talking about a conspiracy to defraud Liverpool of success, as in an organised network of operators with stated aims and objectives.

But I do think that anti-Liverpool sentiment is rife in this country, which is represented within PGMOL. Similar to how there is an anti-Muslim/anti-Foreigner sentiment, which leads to Mo Salah have to do his amazing stuff with two lads dangling off his neck.

I think there is an over-representation of residents of Greater Manchester within PGMOL ranks, where there is a greater than usual anti-Liverpool sentiment.

I think that there is an absolute fucking madness in putting a man in change of refereeing who will have had his view of football, and LFC, shaped by his time working for the organisation who were at the centre of the biggest miscarriage of justice in football history, and by the men who perpetrated it.

I think that the system for rewarding and promoting referees is based not on their competence and judgement, but on their self belief, arrogance and superiority complex, as those are the traits that survive ascending through the grassroots game.

I think that too many referees come to Anfield intent on making a statement about their strength and character, as opposed to getting decisions right.

I don’t think there’s an organised network either and this is something that has been discussed on here plenty of times. Myself, and others, have merely stated there are a number of referees who are intent on fucking us over whenever possible and probably have a good laugh about it when on their little jollies to Indonesia.
The rest of your post I agree with.

[Maria]

These referees get £6,000 a match.

It is unbelievable, some pundits are feeling sorry for the tw*t.

[RER]

One thing in my mind is that its highly unlikely that other people within in the referring fraternity didn’t know his feelings on Klopo and the club.

[rab]

@jaffod

@JU97ICE

Mate, I don’t think you’ll find many on here that disagree or have disagreed with you that referees have biases.

But if there’s a top to bottom (across FA, PGMOL, PL etc) conspiracy theory, those things usually involve too many moving parts, and too many people, for silence on it to persist. How does succession happen? Introduction of new refs into the conspiracy? I find that train of thought fanciful.

I don’t know how long you’ve been on here but I can tell you one thing, 3 or 4 years ago when people like myself and Quicksand were in a small minority we were getting all sorts of shite thrown at us. It’s only as time has gone by and the corruption has become more and more obvious that people’s opinions have changed.
As for your point on it being a major conspiracy involving too many people etc, nobody has ever claimed that and that has been pointed out time after time. It doesn’t have to be like that. It just needs cheats like Coote, Tierney, Kavanagh (Webb and Atkinson before them) to carry their bias and prejudice onto the pitch when refereeing our matches.

The ultimate flaw in this argument about corruption is pretty much every club thinks it’s happening against them.

Now what you might have is personal opinions creating bias. But you just have to look at the reaction to the game at the weekend. Villa fans, and their manager, come away thinking they’ve been hard done by. Our fans come away astonished he didn’t think the pull on Salah was a foul. Neither think the bloke did a good enough job.

But, we get the win and so without this video surfacing we’d crack on generally alright with the world until he next fucks up against us. Then we’ll pull this back into the “corruption” argument as evidence. We’d all forget about the Bradley shirt pull though and any other decision that went in our favour.

Not saying some personal opinions may cause some kind of bias, conscious or otherwise, but that’s human nature and not corruption, conspiracy or vendetta. Unless you employ robots you’ll never get rid of that entirely.

And we’ve no idea what he thinks of any other manager, club, place or player. He could really hate Brummies for all we know. Just because he’s said what he said on camera doesn’t mean it’s his one and only opinion on the people involved in the game.

[Quicksand]

There is no grand conspiracy. There are referees who are blatantly biased against Liverpool.
This bias exists because of various factors that have been discussed ad nauseum.

People who demanded proof that certain refs are biased have this proof now.
Its no longer deniable.

And as @RER points out, its hardly likely that Cootes view wasn’t known to some of his colleagues. And he was handed Saturdays match, in which his bias was nonsensical.

[Quicksand]

Once again…
The amount of decisions against Liverpool, decisions that cost the club have been catalogued here time and time again.

@jaffod has listed the serious, point costing decisions that have effected the club.

No conspiracy, just noting of bias against the club that has been presented over and over again.
Evidence is produced today and all you offer is Villa fans being unhappy with a shirt pull by Conor Bradley.

Its not even.
Never has been.

[Limiescouse]

@RER

One thing in my mind is that its highly unlikely that other people within in the referring fraternity didn’t know his feelings on Klopo and the club.

We had an official elbow Robbo in the face and got largely supported for it