The Referees or The Twelfth Man

Thanks for keeping it brief!

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I think there is a sequencing issue.

For a long time I have suspected Cootes has a bit of a bias against Liverpool. I’ve seen plenty of games in which he fails to referee the fairly, and I’m always more worried when his name appears on the refs list for us than any other ref.

I feel this because of the way he has refereed us.

The video adds to that feeling. It isn’t the cause of it.

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TL:DR They are all pricks.

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Isn’t that essentially what @Limiescouse and @Mascot were talking about with regards to how the PGMOL view impartiality? It’s as though you believe that the revelations are damaging to the game, not that they reveal the damage and rot to the game that already exists.

Whatever you want to say about a human mistake, this is a highly visible public role where impartiality is meant to be important. How do you think it plays out if a judge is on video talking about how they hate a particular law firm and think the head lawyer there is absolutely intolerable? Or perhaps they think Badenoch/Starmer and their respective parties are insufferable?

The judge’s body of work would be rightly questioned, as would the impartiality of the judiciary. Not too much different here.

Do you feel the same about figureheads at companies who make similar mistakes with videos going public about their views?

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Which is why you can’t look at incidents in isolation. Cherry picking is simply slight of hand.

I think the inflated opinion is quite key. There is definitely a Dunning–Kruger effect with quite a few “top” officials. I suspect that some of their resistance to VAR interventions (and I’m looking at Oliver here) is because they don’t like to be told that they got things wrong.

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Nah mate. His opening sentence is “Liverpool are shit”. Unless I’m mistaken this was in the season we won the league so there is no possible way to interpret that as him saying we were a poor team.

He’s in essence saying that he despises the club. Fuck him and his ego. He deserves whatever is coming to him.

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The inevitable “yes, but” is that the context of those games are very important too.

When I was talking about statistical test for example, I was referring to whether the individual referee can be said to differ significantly from the refereeing population at large in performance, after controlling for variables like team form, fixture difficulty, etc. This is obviously essentially impossible, especially because of the limited samples and also the subjectivity of a lot of things (e.g. how do you decide if there was enough contact or not, or if there was sufficient impeding, etc.).

If he’s only refereed City games where they would be expected to steamroller the opponents anyway, and he’s refereed games for us which have a higher difficulty, then of course those results are going to appear. If he’s only refereed 2 City games, but 6 of ours, that’s also going to be a natural possibility. Sample sizes are too small.

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It was the season after we won the league. The weird Covid season with empty stadiums where Oleball excelled because teams didn’t have time to prepare and implement tactics each week.

Good process boys.

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Thought I’ve seen that this was after that 1-1 draw against Bolton that ruined our 100% home record in 2019-20.

Except the evidence of his bias has been catalogued. His decisions against Liverpool are costly. Decisions for Man City, costly to Liverpool.

Its been documented before. Plain and simple.

And you call me an ostrich?

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Barney is persona non grata after that

Was after the Villa 7-2 debacle

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I think one common sense change to refereeing would be to make the VAR Official and the on-field referee two different career paths. Referees shouldn’t be bouncing between the two roles.

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I mean it could be a great commercial opportunity: train up a bunch of referees who do play the game relatively often, but are primarily nerds who would be the equivalent of footballing lawyers.

It quite honestly boggles the mind that PGMOL are effectively a monopoly and allowed to get away with it.

The thing is, he doesn’t say that. He’s asked what he thought of Liverpool in the game he’d just officiated and he says “Liverpool were shit”.

You’re now inferring he despises the club based on a misrepresentation of what he’s actually said.

Did you look for decisions he made in our favour or just those that would confirm your belief?

Perhaps the defining feature of the Coote tapes is just a kind of sadness. He looks haunted. The blink rate is low. The eyes are wide, his mouth and brain are synced weirdly with no real filter in between. He looks sad but overstimulated, talking into a void.

This really made me laugh out loud. It’s either incredibly subtle implication, or Barney has never had a conversation with someone on coke.

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I once shagged Billie Piper while she was zooted off her tits on coke.

No I didn’t I’m lying to myself. I don’t know why I’ve said that.