As seen in the Guardian, an attempt is being made to set the narrative by focusing on a limited selection of ‘big decisions’.
Firstly this is problematic because the author decides what is a big decision is - for example Jota getting away with clattering Skipp is a big decision, but no mention of Skipp trying to break Diaz ankle twenty minutes earlier. And no mention that the latter largely defines the former. Not only should Skipp not be on the pitch to get clattered, but Coote letting Jota off with one, is likely to be framed by him ignoring the shocking challenge by Skipp earlier in the game.
Secondly, often we’re not talking about ‘big decisions’. We are talking about the ongoing flow of a game. How the ref treats routine fouls, 50/50s, time-wasting, etc.
Or because they knew he was not an anomaly. If they were aware of the video they would have been concerned about the video getting out for PR reasons, but would not have viewed the opinion aired as being worth of any actual sanction or intervention because in private lots of them talk like that.
That is unfortunately a FIFA rule. They think VAR needs to be refs to understand how to officiate and what its like to make decisions on the pitch. I had read there were discussions of changing that, but it is at least why we have the system we have today.
The alternative to that is that FIFA have announced an expansion to their coaches challenge approach to VAR. If that were to succeed and get implemented it would remove the ref from the VAR booth entirely as you’d just need the technical operators.
Interesting twist to all of this - SAOT seemingly hallucinated an offside that didnt exist this weekend in La Liga and so incorrectly ruled out a goal.
But this is my point. You, as a Liverpool fan, have an awareness of “season defining decisions” he’s made against us and are using that to say he is biased.
If you trawled every game he’s officiated in that hasn’t featured us you will find some contentious decisions he’s made for and against other teams. If he’s made more of those decisions in favour of Brighton and against West Ham are you deducing from that that he hates one club and likes another?
How many decisions does a ref need to make against one club for him to be considered bias?
So every decision that isn’t deemed fair by us fans is evidence of bias by the referee? It couldn’t be our bias getting in the way or affecting our judgement at all?
I’m not dieing on any hill. I just think people are watching a 20 second video from who knows when and using that as evidence to say every decision that he’s given that hasn’t gone out way is because he was biased against us.
If he hates us so much why didn’t he give a penalty to Villa at the weekend?
Not just me.
Have you read the piece from Tomkins? He breaks the data down and even if with tinted glasses, the evidence is there. Can you honestly say that his decisions have not cost Liverpool? One small example…if Pickford is sent off in the Derby, then its likely Richarlison doesn’t try to break Thiago’s leg. Costly for Liverpool…
Have you looked at the data from other clubs?
Has a video emerged of Coote saying Arteta is a cunt?
Or Guardiola is a cunt.
His decisions have impacted negatively on Liverpool. The evidence is there.
Thats my concern.
Its “our” concern as Liverpool supporters.
If you want to keep trying to convince yourself that equity exists, then knock yourself out.
In your answer to @koptician you say people are using the video as evidence.
Well no.
The video only confirms what a lot of us have been contending for years now.
I don’t have a massive problem with most of the refs. I think they are all pretty shit, but I’m not big on calling out bias and corruption all over the place.
I think David Coote is biased and quite clearly doesn’t really particularly like us. That an opinion from before his video came out. I’m taking that from his games and his overall performance whenever he’s been involved with us. Paul Tierney was another I dreaded getting, but he hasn’t been bad lately.
You’re missing the point. He isn’t a pantomime villain. He could have given Villa three penalties if he’d really wanted to twirl his moustache at the Kop, but I think he’d have made himself look like a fucking idiot if he had.
You keep just coming back to “decisions have cost Liverpool.”
Is that the bar that is being set. A bad decision made against Liverpool = corrupt official. What about the costly decisions Coote has made in games not involving us, are they just forgiveable mistakes?
And your big example of this is “had he sent off Pickford, Richarlison might not have made a tackle.”
I haven’t looked at data for other clubs. But not have you. And without doing that you’re looking at the whole thing only through the lense of being a Liverpool fan, something which makes you completely biased.
Until Tomkins does some objective analysis, he’s also doing from a position of bias no matter how much he might pretend he’s not.
This to me is a reasonable perspective and I appreciate you coming back and explaining it.
The fact he had opportunities to screw us in just this most recent game but didn’t seems to suggest to me he’s not out to get us. Or maybe it’s just a clean slate until Slot calls him a useless tit.
But either way, he could have given a penalty, it wouldn’t have been overturned by VAR and yet he didn’t. Doesn’t sound like someone with a vendetta.