The Referees or The Twelfth Man

[Quicksand]

@rab

@Quicksand

@rab

Saying he thinks Klopp was arrogant doesn’t mean every decision he gave against us was influenced by that perception. That seems to be the conclusion people are reaching.

Except the evidence of his bias has been catalogued. His decisions against Liverpool are costly. Decisions for Man City, costly to Liverpool.

Its been documented before. Plain and simple.

And you call me an ostrich?

Did you look for decisions he made in our favour or just those that would confirm your belief?

Yep
He made season defining decisions for Liverpool.

Are you actually serious??

[Limiescouse]

@RedWhippet

My suspicion is that PGMOL knew he was a liability but didn’t do anything about it because they didn’t want to set a precedent that many others could fall foul of.

Or because they knew he was not an anomaly. If they were aware of the video they would have been concerned about the video getting out for PR reasons, but would not have viewed the opinion aired as being worth of any actual sanction or intervention because in private lots of them talk like that.

@Sweeting

I think one common sense change to refereeing would be to make the VAR Official and the on-field referee two different career paths. Referees shouldn’t be bouncing between the two roles.

That is unfortunately a FIFA rule. They think VAR needs to be refs to understand how to officiate and what its like to make decisions on the pitch. I had read there were discussions of changing that, but it is at least why we have the system we have today.

The alternative to that is that FIFA have announced an expansion to their coaches challenge approach to VAR. If that were to succeed and get implemented it would remove the ref from the VAR booth entirely as you’d just need the technical operators.

[Sithbare]

@PeachesEnRegalia

I once shagged Billie Piper while she was zooted off her tits on coke.

I’m all for imagination mate. Wasn’t she way beyond your means ?

[Sithbare]

And even not including the normal questions.

Come on guys , let’s have some respect for @PeachesEnRegalia

[koptician]

@rab

Ineptitude. Now we’re getting somewhere.

You’re a very angry person aren’t you? I hope everything is okay.

Seriously barking up the wrong tree here mate.

Not sure this is a hill you’d wish to die on but heigh ho

[Limiescouse]

@Sithbare

I’m all for imagination mate. Wasn’t she way beyond your means ?

Billie is out there telling the story of how when she was zoomed off her tits she shagged the guy from right said fred

[Quicksand]

@PeachesEnRegalia

I once shagged Billie Piper while she was zooted off her tits on coke.

No I didn’t I’m lying to myself. I don’t know why I’ve said that.

He who pays the Piper…

[Limiescouse]

Interesting twist to all of this - SAOT seemingly hallucinated an offside that didnt exist this weekend in La Liga and so incorrectly ruled out a goal.

[rab]

But this is my point. You, as a Liverpool fan, have an awareness of “season defining decisions” he’s made against us and are using that to say he is biased.

If you trawled every game he’s officiated in that hasn’t featured us you will find some contentious decisions he’s made for and against other teams. If he’s made more of those decisions in favour of Brighton and against West Ham are you deducing from that that he hates one club and likes another?

How many decisions does a ref need to make against one club for him to be considered bias?

[rab]

@Mascot

@rab

Did you look for decisions he made in our favour or just those that would confirm your belief?

Secondly, often we’re not talking about ‘big decisions’. We are talking about the ongoing flow of a game. How the ref treats routine fouls, 50/50s, time-wasting, etc.

So every decision that isn’t deemed fair by us fans is evidence of bias by the referee? It couldn’t be our bias getting in the way or affecting our judgement at all?

[rab]

I’m not dieing on any hill. I just think people are watching a 20 second video from who knows when and using that as evidence to say every decision that he’s given that hasn’t gone out way is because he was biased against us.

If he hates us so much why didn’t he give a penalty to Villa at the weekend?

[Quicksand]

@rab

But this is my point. You, as a Liverpool fan, have an awareness of “season defining decisions” he’s made against us and are using that to say he is biased.

If you trawled every game he’s officiated in that hasn’t featured us you will find some contentious decisions he’s made for and against other teams. If he’s made more of those decisions in favour of Brighton and against West Ham are you deducing from that that he hates one club and likes another?

How many decisions does a ref need to make against one club for him to be considered bias?

Not just me.
Have you read the piece from Tomkins? He breaks the data down and even if with tinted glasses, the evidence is there. Can you honestly say that his decisions have not cost Liverpool? One small example…if Pickford is sent off in the Derby, then its likely Richarlison doesn’t try to break Thiago’s leg. Costly for Liverpool…

Have you looked at the data from other clubs?
Has a video emerged of Coote saying Arteta is a cunt?
Or Guardiola is a cunt.

His decisions have impacted negatively on Liverpool. The evidence is there.
Thats my concern.
Its “our” concern as Liverpool supporters.

If you want to keep trying to convince yourself that equity exists, then knock yourself out.

In your answer to @koptician you say people are using the video as evidence.
Well no.
The video only confirms what a lot of us have been contending for years now.

[Quicksand]

@rab

If he hates us so much why didn’t he give a penalty to Villa at the weekend?

Because they didn’t merit one.
Your next question should be…
Why didn’t he give a penalty when Nunez was fouled in the area?

[PeachesEnRegalia]

@Sithbare

And even not including the normal questions.

Come on guys , let’s have some respect for @PeachesEnRegalia

I can handle things! I’m smaht!!!

Not like people think…like dumb…

I’m smaht and I WANT RESPECT!!!

[redalways]

On behalf of those of us who don’t speak nerd, I’m going to presume you meant semi-automated offside technology?

[Mascot]

@rab

So every decision that isn’t deemed fair by us fans is evidence of bias by the referee? It couldn’t be our bias getting in the way or affecting our judgement at all?

I do understand what you are trying to do here.

I don’t have a massive problem with most of the refs. I think they are all pretty shit, but I’m not big on calling out bias and corruption all over the place.

I think David Coote is biased and quite clearly doesn’t really particularly like us. That an opinion from before his video came out. I’m taking that from his games and his overall performance whenever he’s been involved with us. Paul Tierney was another I dreaded getting, but he hasn’t been bad lately.

@rab

If he hates us so much why didn’t he give a penalty to Villa at the weekend?

You’re missing the point. He isn’t a pantomime villain. He could have given Villa three penalties if he’d really wanted to twirl his moustache at the Kop, but I think he’d have made himself look like a fucking idiot if he had.

[rab]

You keep just coming back to “decisions have cost Liverpool.”

Is that the bar that is being set. A bad decision made against Liverpool = corrupt official. What about the costly decisions Coote has made in games not involving us, are they just forgiveable mistakes?

And your big example of this is “had he sent off Pickford, Richarlison might not have made a tackle.”

I haven’t looked at data for other clubs. But not have you. And without doing that you’re looking at the whole thing only through the lense of being a Liverpool fan, something which makes you completely biased.

Until Tomkins does some objective analysis, he’s also doing from a position of bias no matter how much he might pretend he’s not.

[rab]

This to me is a reasonable perspective and I appreciate you coming back and explaining it.

The fact he had opportunities to screw us in just this most recent game but didn’t seems to suggest to me he’s not out to get us. Or maybe it’s just a clean slate until Slot calls him a useless tit.

But either way, he could have given a penalty, it wouldn’t have been overturned by VAR and yet he didn’t. Doesn’t sound like someone with a vendetta.

[RER]

Rats boys take on the situation

Neville speaks out on Coote tirade
Neville said of Coote: “He’s called Jurgen Klopp the C-word, which is obviously an aggressive word, but I didn’t see anything within his words that he had influenced Liverpool in the wrong way or was trying to do Liverpool over.

“There’s a line, and he’s stepped over the line. Referees are held to a high bar and he’s got to stop refereeing in the Premier League. However, I don’t feel comfortable with [Coote losing his livelihood]. I don’t believe David Coote is anti-Liverpool.

[Quicksand]

You asked earlier if I was angry…
In an obvious attempt at reductionism in an argument. Its a cheap shot, but it made you feel you have an upper hand.

Maybe you need to examine your own position here? You say I keep coming back to decisions that cost Liverpool.
Really? On a Liverpool fan page.

Your ire is directed at me because I keep referring to Liverpool.
I won’t apologise for being concerned with one club.

Anyway, looking at Cootes career, he has not made any major decisions against other clubs.
Yes, his allowing Rodri to play handball against Everton hurt Everton…but his rationale was most likely favouring Man City.
They won the league that season.
Ahead of Liverpool.

I asked if you have seen videos of him calling Arteta or Guardiola a cunt?
There are none.

Why?
Because he isn’t biased against those teams.
Webb et al knew about this video perhaps. What did they do?
Give Coote an important match to ref…
What did he do?
Act the bollox re the Salah foul.