These are two things that absolutely should not be conflated. I’ve been trying to write this without sounding like a connoisseur of the Thai sex tourism industry so I will just say any ability to see those photos, make judgements of the moral failings of the men and say “I fucken knew it” when reading this news is based on associations that should not be made.
One thing I will say though is that Thailand is a place that if you put a wrong un in a situation like that and they start thinking about escalation, then it offers very quick and easy access into a moral descent that will snatch your soul.
Every time he opens his mouth he thinks he’s showing himself in a good light but comes across as the biggest narcissist twat. Main character syndrome is ugly in general but toxic for a ref
I wonder if rival fans see stuff like this and that from Coote and think “yeah, I hate Klopp but he might have been onto something there”. Some of the refereeing decisions Liverpool were getting during Klopp’s time make those from Ferguson era look like friendly banter.
Also, wearing glasses doesn’t make other people think you’re smarter.
If you want to hear egotistic Clattenburg talking for about an hour, and calling the kettle black, here is your chance!
Edit: Oh gawd, there are more videos with him on that channel.
Clattenburg is just awful. Obviously I can only judge him based on his public persona but he comes off as just an incredible shit bag of a man. Very David Brent like in that he tells these stories obviously thinking they show him in an impressive light but doesnt realize how pathetic and small he always comes across.
He’s aired two stories about his beef with Jurgen recently that position him as being so important that Jurgen took a specific dislike to him, but on both occasions he, the fucking dude, rose above it and put Jurgen in his place.
I’ve already shared the story from when Klopp was still at Dortmund and he supposedly called Clattneburg out for taking a pally picture with Marcelo after the game, suggesting that favouritism was why he was so harsh against Klopp’s side. But in his telling, he is such a star, and so well respected by everyone, that Real Madrid’s super star FB sought him out after the game to get a picture with him. Like a 5 time CL winner is going to want regale his grandkids of the time he was reffed by the great Clatts. It is a laughably stupid story.
He’s got another about Jurgen never coming into the ref’s room to deliver the team sheet, but one day he did and he just started him down. Like he was trying to intimidate him. But me, because Im such a dude rose above it. Just said thank you and then turned to Hendo and Terry, the captains that day, and said to them “have a good game lads.” The problem is Terry never played against Jurgen’s Liverpool.
Everything about him scream main character syndrome, which is pretty much the worst trait you can have in a ref.
I’m a level 3 qualified umpire hoping to one day get a call up to umpire First Class cricket and beyond. I also give refreshers to new and existing umpires here in our local Union. My mantra is that if nobody remembers who the umpire was then you’re doing a good job.
I listened to a podcast episode the Athletic did last season on refs, their training and development. One of the things that struck me was how insular it was. They have reasonably responded to the incredible pressure these people at the top level are under by creating a system that in some ways makes them their own team and gives them in built support within their own group, but I was left convinced that it creates a different huge problem. It leaves them so focused on their in group dynamics that they lost the ability to communicate normally about the game, and made them inured to how they are perceived outside of the group.
I think we definitely lost something important in terms of the type of people involved when refs stopped being the sort of people who spent 5 days a week teaching GCSE history.
Saw this article posted on Reddit. The PGMOL would likely closed ranks instead:
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[CBF] receives authorization from FIFA to publish referee’s decisions without VAR review and increases transparency in refereeing
The Brazilian Football Confederation (CBF) announces a marked advance in the transparency of arbitration: after formal consultation with FIFA, it has received authorization to publicly disclose audios and videos of decisions made by the arbitration team even in cases where there was no review in the VAR hub, the so-called “bids without protocol review”.
The measure positions CBF as a worldwide pioneer in the broad dissemination of video assistant referee content.
The entity was already the only national federation to publish the audios of all bids with formal review on the monitor. With this new permission, CBF also includes relevant bids without review in the cabin, reinforcing its commitment to transparency and trust in Brazilian football.
The audios and videos of the bids without protocol review will be made available within 24 hours of the end of the match, respecting technical and operational guidelines agreed with FIFA.
According to President Samir Xaud, this measure reinforces the commitment of the current management of the CBF to combat historical problems of Brazilian football.
“Since the beginning of our management we have been acting in structural problems of Brazilian football, messing with issues that had been demanding changes for decades. We have already announced the new calendar of men’s football, we are finalizing the women’s and next month we will disclose the rules of financial fair play. Arbitration is among those priorities. We have now expanded the dissemination of audios in the name of transparency. We will announce other improvements in the coming weeks, integrating an action plan that has already been drawn up since we took over the CBF,” he said.
“We have always consulted FIFA on issues that escape the routine: rules, resolutions, protocols or determinations of the IFAB/FIFA itself. In this consultation we argue that presenting the checks of great impact, even without going from the referee to the VAR hub, would reinforce the integrity of our competitions. We have received the release, for the purpose of instruction and transparency,” said Rodrigo Cintra, chairman of the Arbitration Commission.
With this initiative, CBF reaffirms commitment to the modernization of football and to building a clearer and more reliable relationship with fans, clubs and sports professionals.
Thanks to lsilva231 on Reddit for the original post.
“The lengths that people go to post-game with a lot of things now to spread false narratives, to spread malicious conspiracy theories… it creates a hugely negative environment for people to operate in.”
“Everybody who watches football always sees a game through the eyes of their team”.
