The Referees or The Twelfth Man

Referee for the Villa (A), Leicester (H) and Brentford (A) matches.

Referee: Paul Tierney. Assistants: Constantine Hatzidakis, James Mainwaring. Fourth official: Thomas Bramall. VAR: Simon Hooper. Assistant VAR: Wade Smith.

Referee: Craig Pawson. Assistants: Marc Perry, Scott Ledger. Fourth official: Andy Madley. VAR: Paul Tierney. Assistant VAR: Natalie Aspinall.

Referee: Stuart Attwell. Assistants: Darren Cann, Harry Lennard. Fourth official: Simon Hooper. VAR: Darren England. Assistant VAR: Mark Scholes

Tonight Tierney was the VAR that makes 3 matches out of 4 where Manchester Tierney is involved, either as the ref or VAR :face_vomiting:

Tierney is from Wigan isn’t he? That’s closer to Liverpool than Manchester. I can be there in 30 minutes from here.

I dare you to go to Wigan and tell them they are Mancunians…:rofl:

They have a completely different accent…

He lives near Manchester I’ve been told

Different place entirely is Wigan.

Buy them a few half decent pies and he will be happy.

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I saw a van in Wigan the other day. On the back door it said. No pies are kept in this vehicle overnight.

And is still biased against Liverpool.
But you knew that, and still wanted a debate.

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To be honest you didn’t have to list the Brentford game. As it is, its 3 games on the trott with Paul Tierney involved in some format.
I am not going to speculate as to whether he has an agenda against us or not. I trust him to be professional but find it hard to believe he will be competent.

On the issue you raised, I am not sure on the common practice of allocation of games to officials. However, I would of thought that any officials involvement in a run of ‘said’ teams games is imbalanced. Irrelevant of whether it is us or another team, in our favour or not, you are allowing for people to be subjective.
A certain player, manager, coach, fan base may give you a hard time in one game and you hold a bit of resentment to that.
Or, on the other hand after reviewing their previous performance realise they made a few wrong calls. Like thinking a player dived when they were actually fouled, or vice versa, it can create a scenario where you actually question your initial decision.

In all honesty, English refereeing is bad in general. Tonight Rodri should have had a yellow card for his petulant kick out at Carvalho and the bullying collision afterwards. In my opinion it is non debatable and VAR should have looked at it. I am not sure on the protocols but if a decent ref had seen it, it would have been a card so in my eyes a clear and obvious error.

Its just frustrating the inconsistency with refereeing. I accept that we may benefit from some of these bad decisions and maybe more so than others but it is not something that I want.
Tonight, Carvalho was bumped a few times and went down softly, no free kick and rightly so, but you had Milner on Lewis and a standard Grealish dive which were both deemed a foul but with minimal contact. Additionally, KDB kicked the ball away on purpose after giving away a throw in and didn’t get a card.

In the end, we probably didn’t deserve to win. Its just annoying that Refs like Cootes can affect a game with questionable calls and not be held to account.

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No VAR involvement at the game last night meant Cootes could get away with whatever ‘dickead’ decisions he chose to give or not last night… The guy is 100% anti-LFC is bottom line

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More transparency Howard?

Like telling us years later about the Fergie bias.

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Follow up to @Dutch on the Mo thread

https://twitter.com/paul_tomkins/status/1606275428775239680?s=20&t=PrqGoo-Ep3Btz1g8WjT3lQ

TLDR
Shocking news
How we get screwed by some refs

Im Not Surprised Nate Diaz GIF by UFC

Yes: they’re about to get even worse.

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I have no idwa what xG is? :thinking::nerd_face:

xG (expected goals) :teacher:

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Is it like @Flobs always expecting a 3-0 :thinking:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/bundesliga-referee-suggests-several-new-rules-that-would-change-football-for-the-better/ar-AA15XOFV?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=bba20c34b93b49d583b447092579bbeb

Just think of it as the most pointless stat ever to exist in football, right next to the “passes in final third” stat.

Football is a simple game made complicated by a minority of pretentious people.

I dont think you need new rules to deal with the last 3, but the first one is interesting. Have you ever seen (Olympic style) wrestling? There are cases where if the ref has to separate the wrestlers, but one guy was on top, rather than restarting on their feet the struggling guy is forced to get back onthe ground with his opponent on top of him before they restart. I wonder if there is something similar they could do for these cynical tactical fouls? Could you be forced to start with a certain number of players behind the ball?

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Not seen the wrestling thing but will look it up… One thing is most definitely certain though… The whole way games are officiated needs a good shake-up, and hopefully for the better :+1:

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https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/ball-was-in-play-for-just-55-mins-during-arsenal-vs-newcastle-zinchenko-s-reaction-summed-it-up/ar-AA15X0nH?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=16e6090c61b14387b98662249349c401

Howe was complaining at the weekend that Leeds were time wasting against them… What a hypocrite eh

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To be fair everything to do with elite football is rife with hypocrisy including managers, players and fans.

It is always a case of get away with whatever you can but beef like hell when someone else does it. All as bad as one another.

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