The Russian Invasion of Ukraine (Part 2)

I have replied to you via PM. I didn’t know that moving a post from one publicly visible thread into another that has literally the same level of visibility and public availability constitutes censorship, by the way.

It is not hard censorship, but it absolutely does constitute censorship according to definitions used in culture, because you relegate a cultural resource, in this case music, to a nichè thread, that is normally only accessed by those with a special interest in the war. And you do it on purpose because you find the lyrics personally uncomfortable, which makes it worse.
I am fairly sure that if you scroll through the music thread, you will find many songs with politically influenced lyrics. People write songs about their pain, their opinions, love and grief. Much of it is political. Much is not, but if you are to filter one cultural resources, then I suggest you filter everything. But I suspect that won’t be the case.

You should create a thread on Corsican Nationalism. Put the other song I posted there perhaps. It does not fit into the music category according to your extraordinary narrow defnition on what is tolerable music. After all, it was highly political.

I hear what you are saying Magnus, but in this instance I think this thread (and a few of the other political ones) are much more mainstream on TAN than the music (or manbag) threads.

Even if that is the case, that isn’t the point though.
I am pointing to something bigger than that. The idea that music which has lyrics that a moderator personally find uncomfortable (Such as “We are not brothers”), because he is neutral in a certain event and the message in the song is far from neutral; that this is then moved into another area accessed primarily by another user group. It is worthy of criticism and appears incredibly strange.

Again, much music has lyrics based on a vairety of topics, absolutely including romantic emotional topics and politics. And it wasn’t a bad song technically either, it was even moving. And even so, it was moved.

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For posterity, I genuinely did not see that one. Thank you for pointing out to me, I will discuss it with the rest of the forum staff. I stand by my opinion (which is not necessarily the opinion of the other lads who moderate these boards): the music thread should be for music, not for sharing political messages.

It’s absurd. I don’t believe you are serious about liquidating all songs that have political content from the Music Thread. That is beyond prepostrious !

seriously? What the actual fuck ?

@Arminius , @Hope.in.your.heart , @ISMF

All of this because you personally find a message in a song uncomfortable because you are Serbian and neutral in a war ???

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Can’t say I agree with this. What is political is incredibly subjective and most music (and lyrics) at least riff off specific gender/social/cultural dynamics and can be political by inference.

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Casual observer here, and nothing but love to all my fellow reds.

Just want to say @Magnus that you may possibly be a bit too sensitive here, and it looks like a bit like an overreaction to me.

The last thing I want to do is offend you, so I almost didn’t comment. I decided to say a little something in an effort to be helpful. If I have missed the mark on that then I sincerely apologize.

I have nothing but respect for you, and your insight - and hard work - on various threads for our benefit. I am much better informed about the world for it. Thank you.

I can’t possibly speak for Nikola or any mods, but almost certainly it was a little act of tidying up, rather than an effort to suppress any legitimate expression.

As for the song, I will go ahead and give it a listen, thank you.

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Very powerful, thank you. You have the Tsar, we have Democracy. We will never be brothers. Moving, and quite right too. Putin needs to go.

It wasn’t. He made made that clear here and in PMs. You can also see him write above you there, when I made my counter argument that then all music that had a politically charged message ought to be removed from the Music thread (something I wrote to him to show him the absurdity of his argument and persuade him to change his mind, not because I expected it to be followed up upon), that he agreed. Should be clear enough then.

But I am done with this. I don’t have moderator powers. And I want to spend my mental energy on something entirely different than fighting a moderator.

Finito. But it will be interesting to see how that music thread develops in the future, since only 100 percent apolitical lyrics will be allowed to be posted there from now on :roll_eyes:

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Thanks for the reply. And thank you for the song. I would never have heard it if you didn’t post it.

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Yeah, I found it by chance and thought it was surprisingly good and most of all very moving. The lyrics hit hard. Very well written song.

I was sitting there, last night working, and listend to a variety of romantic music. Then I started to listen to Corsican folk songs (beautiful language, I must say), and then gradually I wanted to check some Ukrainian folk tunes. Eventuallly, I came over that one. Thought then to share two of those who made the biggest impression on me.

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Anyway, on to the actual topic, which isn’t music.

Ukraine managed to hit, for the first time, an Iskander TEL loaded with missiles this morning. At least 2 missiles destroyed and so is at least one TEL. This is the first time that has happened this war:
https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/1930535533064700311

Dr. Clarkson seems to think that this could be due to Ru moving forth assets to strike deep into Ukraine , but I think that is a tad speculative (though it could be true)
https://x.com/APHClarkson/status/1930539433549279714

Ru have launched from Bryansk and Kursk before, many times. But this was indeed geolocated to a forward postion, so maybe he is right

Tatarigami’s assessment of the Kursk operation is predictably negative, as Ukraine lost a lot of personel and equippment during that high profile ops (more than Russia did).
https://x.com/Tatarigami_UA/status/1930386333706359094

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There is a very large ballistic missile bombardment of Kyiv as well as the Ukrainian civilian electricity infrastructure tonigh. Very bad
https://x.com/Faytuks/status/1930767083043766399
https://x.com/Faytuks/status/1930772292616761533

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