Wasn’t Dragonshadow a huge Dr Who fanatic?
Personally not to my taste/utter shite, delete as appropriate
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He was also massive Jonjo Shelvey fanatic. Second line still applies.
Not keen on Dr Who either tbh
Me neither. I like Sci fi but Doctor Who feels like a sixth form creation compared to the good stuff. Granted, I’ve never given it a proper go.
Loved the books, first film was great. Lost the series for reasons, will pick it up.
Funny story (for me). A book fair at a primary school, cabinets of books delivered. Just before the parents and kids came in, the priest ran in and hunted out all Pullman books and removed them. “They’re just wrong!” he said. I asked if he’d read them. You can guess.
I didnt realize this series was a redo of that Golden Compass film from years back. Wasnt there some controversy over it having CS Lewis style Christian allegories, but ones the Americans found distasteful or heretical?
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I’d say it is. My youngest are 10 & 11. It’s darkly comic, beautiful to look at and the violence is almost cartoonish.
Very affirming message throughout without it being rammed in your face.
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Did they make any sequel. The way it finished, it was obvious that there are more to the story.
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The film was just based on the first of the book trilogy. Since they decided/were forced to cut out all reference to the Church which is a massive part of the story, it wasn’t really very well received and there were issues surrounding who got the ‘profits’ which the film ended up making.
All in all, a sequel was not forthcoming.
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With Doctor Who the thing to bear in mind is that it is made for a family audience, so it is always going to be fun and frothy. It’s a bit of a romp, and although some episode get dark, it’s always implied horror and nothing that should scare the little ones.
Personally, I’m at the age where I’m a bit tired of ‘dark and gritty’ and I find the idea of taking fantastical, magical fairy tale concepts and deliberately shutting out the kids, a little bit sad. It’s about a mad fella in a box flying round having adventures in time and space.
You don’t like it. Fine. I don’t like things being written off as shite when they clearly aren’t. At its best, under Russell Davies’ lead, it was brilliantly written and expertly crafted family entertainment, made by people who clearly adored it. It was massively popular with audiences, the rating were huge, the appreciation index was off the scale, critics loved it, and it hoovered up awards.
So it wasn’t ‘shite’. You just didn’t like it.
Me? Never got on with Game of Thrones. Felt like a porn version of Lord of the Rings. Like a teenagers idea of what grown up telly should be.
Was it shite? Of course not. It just wasn’t for me.
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Nah, I’m old enough to tell the difference between something that’s shit and something that’s good but just isn’t for me.
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The very opposite of CS Lewis. The books are an allegorical criticism of organised religion, and the central plot is the mortals rising up to wage war on ‘The Authority’.
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Righto. Massive audiences. Loads of awards. Critical adoration.
But Deneb says it’s shite.
Hmmm.
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You will absolutely love it.
I’m surprised you liked the film though. I never saw it, but it was apparently a bit of a car crash.
@deneb reminded me of the controversy. The Christians preemptively hated it because of what should have been in the film. The studio caved to pressure and cut a load of scenes resulting in the message being very scaled back, which then pisses off fans of the books and didnt get even get the christians back on side.
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It was actually very well made and well acted.
It just wasn’t for me.
The main problem is that this storyline is so intrinsic to the narrative it basically isn’t Dark Materials without it.
It would be like making Lord of the Rings, but taking all the Mordor and Sauron stuff out.
Got you there in the end.
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You know I was talking about The Golden Compass right?
I was just messing.
Let’s look at the Golden Compass.
It flopped at the box office. It was dismissed by critics. The fans of the books hated it. And as far as I know, it won precisely zero awards.
I don’t think that this is a reasonable comparison.