Wow! I have not posted in this thread at least on the point of contention you had with Redalways and still had the honour to be mentioned by you! Whatever you like to accuse people of here, you probably are the other extreme opposite so as I always do in a forum, whatever rocks your boat. But I am still honoured to be mentioned in this forum other than for my art.
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@gasband i didnt know you did artwork?
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You need to hang out more with some of the posters here who claimed they made millions selling copies of my art
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@jabu I am sorry mate, if I have misunderstood the intent of your post. Appreciate your comment for clarity. Cheers and Have a great day.
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To be fair to @jgw_geneseo i think he meant in the sense that the relatively low price might be an indication that the level of the players abilities have dropped off significantly because of the previous injury.
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Your style of conversation leaves a lot to be desired. You are adversarial, meandering and push the debate to the extreme margins. You fail to make your point clearly and then get frustrated that your posts are misread.
Nobody has described Gravenberch as the āmessiahā. Thatās a stupid, strawman, exaggeration that is rightly going to put peoples backs up.
We didnāt get the lad we really wanted to play at 6, so instead of going to the next cab off the rank, we looked again at an internal solution, who has done exceptionally well in three games and seems to be grabbing the opportunity with both hands.
I really donāt see what the issue is there. Thatās a case of good squad management.
I went back and looked at the post you linked to re previous regime. I genuinely donāt know what point you are trying to make. The resignation of a charismatic leader, along with most of his staff, and the recruitment of a new head of football operations, a new sporting director, a new head of analysis, a new head coach (not manager) and half a dozen new coaches in Slotās team has led to a grinding of the gears in a previously slick operation? Well, yeah.
There are obviously differences in the style of football under Slot to how we played under Klopp that will lead to a rethink of targets - it would be stupid if this wasnāt the case. But the biggest change is that Klopp, by the end of his tenure was the most powerful voice in the room when it came to transfers. The analysis and strategy teams had been to some degree sidelined, and Klopp had brought in his own man to work as Sporting Director to get those deals over the line.
FSGs big move post Klopp was to go all in on the previous model - I think that our most successful phase of recruitment was the time when the analysis side was in the ascendancy and Klopp was identifying the kind of player, but not the actual player, he wanted. The most visible expression of this is that Slot is the head coach, and not the Manager, but this maternal restructure will have inevitable led to a reboot of the transfer operation.
What Iām trying to say is that you canāt compare pre and post Klopp, and say all the targets should still be on the computer so go and get them in. Kloppās stature had led to that process being lessened in influence, and FSGs response to his departure was to completely rework the football operations.
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I think I phrased it poorly, but that was the question I was genuinely asking.
I wouldnāt disagree, but Iād like to think the clubās decision-making apparatus have a better insight into whatās a fair price for him than I do.
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Had they? Thatās the part Iām not quite sure I understand. Sure, thereās that chatter from journalists (well just one in particular if I remember correctly), but thereās also Grahamās words that the disagreements involved werenāt that big, and it was more a matter of, for example, JĆ¼rgen viewing NĆŗƱez as important enough to warrant changing our style and structure for.
Again, I havenāt read enough or at least seen enough to know if this is truly the case or not, but it does strike me very much like itās the case that the targets and analyses are indeed still there āon the computerā so to speak, but the footballing philosophy and direction taken would be different, even if itās just subtly so.
Iām not sure if itās a matter of reworking the football operations at all, given that they brought back someone who worked within that structure to begin with, just with a remit to implement that structure or a similar one across an envisioned umbrella of clubs. Endo doesnāt strike me as someone who was brought in because of JĆ¼rgenās wanting him in particular, but someone who was identified as a good target by the models.
I think itās clear though that I just donāt believe the rumours of the supposed rift between JĆ¼rgen and the rest of the structure have much truth to them. Itās more a feeling than having any hard evidence, but for example, one of the supposed disagreements was the contract extension for Henderson, but weāve already seen from an actual attributed interview that itās the case that we build models to identify players with the playing characteristics that we want, but in terms of personality and character, itās still traditional scouting that matters, and itās quite possible that to JĆ¼rgen it was a matter of retaining that leadership figure. Whatever other braindead things heās done, I think itās quite clear that Henderson was definitely a well-respected leader in the squad.
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This was precisely what i was getting at. Juve has him out on his own for training and heās available for loose change in todayās market (for 10 mil less than our youth sales) - why? Iād want a good answer to that if Iām the club. Is there off field stuff? What else is going on? Itās just unusual, hence the price makes me nervous.
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The price is irrelevant, what matters is does he improve or fit our team. We should not be looking at the bargain side. One manās rubbish isnāt always someone elseās treasure.
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Perhaps to the club itās precisely the case that itās a relatively low-risk for a transfer fee, and that he has potential and is undervalued not just because of his injury record but also something structural to Juventus? I think someone else posted that Juventus is undergoing a transformation of their own so perhaps heās just surplus to requirements there.
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Price is never irrelevant. All transfers carry risk and involve opportunity costs.
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Our strategy should never be what is cheap, it should be what benefits us the most. A cheap buy in the last few days of a transfer window suggests desperation.
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If he is being bought as a succession plan for Mo, Mo is that fit that he will be second fiddle for the next three years, then we will be looking for a successor for him and Mo.
Why? Iād imagine it would suggest the opposite, that a cheap buy suggests someone whoās not a must-have, but someone who is an opportunity.
Which is why itās unlikely that that is the case, no?
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Where we actually after Ugarte when he went to PSG? Manure just got him fairly cheaply (by midfielder going rates)
Could mean the salary demands are too much.
Anyway , heāll become shit. Heās just joined United.
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Also a bit suspect that heās leaving PSG so soon after joining
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Ugarte is absolutely wank, from what Iāve seen. Theyāve basically just signed Amrabat again.
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He didnt do well last season at PSG. They were desperate to sell him. Ofcouse his wages will be higher considering our pay structure.
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