The Unreliable LFC Transfer Rumours Discussion Thread (Part 3)

[mackie]

@YoullNeverWalkAlone

@redalways

Have you done any research of your own at all into contract law and non-compete clauses?

Had you even heard about non-compete clauses before you even started on this wild fantasy?

Did you bother to do any independent research instead of relying on other people to spoon-feed you answers?

Some, not a great deal in all honesty. In future, I’ll put in a good month of in depth study before making a novel suggestion on a fan forum.

I suggest next time instead of spending time to argue that other people are not putting out sources, to either come with your sources, or walk in the sunset.

You can’t expect other people to do what you haven’t, it took me 5 minutes to find the link I shared, not with Google, but with an AI search.

This is even when I agree that asking the question you asked initially was not as nonsensical as some others people thought.

But if people are not reacting the way you want, it’s better to recalibrate your expectations rather than be agressive in the conversation because you believe you’re right.

[Mascot]

@YoullNeverWalkAlone

But, just for clarification, my angle of attack was for example a 7 year contract, with the first 5 years covering the registration period with Club A and the final 2 covering an agreement not to sign for Club B. So the contract doesn’t end at the end of the registration period.

If a player is under contract we would be paying them a wage. So you would be effectively setting the club up to be shelling out a chunk of wages not to play for a rival.

I’m pretty sure that registrations are linked to contracts, so I don’t think we could have a player ‘under contract’ and not hold their registration.

The biggest barrier to this is that no player would sign it. It simply isn’t in their interests to do so.

I do understand where this is coming from. We’ve lost a brilliant player on a free contract, and we suspect that Madrid have been in the players ear for a while. As frustrating as this is, I don’t think there is much we can do to stop it (and it isn’t like we’ve never benefitted from free transfers).

I think Konate is going this way too. He isn’t signing a new deal, has probably been tapped up by Real, and Wenger is absolutely right. I was saying this a couple of years ago. Transfer fees are becoming so expensive that the top players are not going to risk allowing themselves to get locked at a club because a price has been slapped on them that suitors won’t match.

So….about Konate. We have to decide what to do about him.

Normally a club would offer him a new contract, and if he doesn’t sign, sell him. If he refuses to go, slap him in the reserves and let him rot.

Liverpool don’t do stuff like that, because they understand team spirit and team bonding. Konate has friends in the squad who would not like to see Ibou ostracised.

So what do we do? Can we do anything?

[RedWhippet]

[redalways]

@Mascot

I think Konate is going this way too. He isn’t signing a new deal, has probably been tapped up by Real, and Wenger is absolutely right. I was saying this a couple of years ago. Transfer fees are becoming so expensive that the top players are not going to risk allowing themselves to get locked at a club because a price has been slapped on them that suitors won’t match.

So….about Konate. We have to decide what to do about him.

Normally a club would offer him a new contract, and if he doesn’t sign, sell him. If he refuses to go, slap him in the reserves and let him rot.

Liverpool don’t do stuff like that, because they understand team spirit and team bonding. Konate has friends in the squad who would not like to see Ibou ostracised.

So what do we do? Can we do anything?

Sign Huijsen?

I’m serious about this though. I might be the only one perhaps, but I don’t mind being a “feeder club” as long as we keep winning the trophies in a financially sustainable manner. If we continue being the club who signs great players on the contract before their “big” contracts, then we get to benefit from their good performance without shelling out too much for the players.

I do wonder if people are focusing too much on the supposedly forgone transfer fees (you can’t get a transfer fee if no clubs are willing to buy them to begin with), and not on the total opportunity cost. Perhaps we might have lost out on a transfer fee for Alexander-Arnold, but had we renewed his contract a couple of years ago, we might well have had to pay quite a lot more in wages as well. And given the way that Real Madrid have gone about it, there’s also no guarantee that they would have paid such a fee anyway.

The reality for us is that as a top, top club, the number of destinations after us for good players is really limited. Where can you go from here? It’s usually just chasing the money, or a new opportunity, but the new opportunity tends to be at a club that is also competitive. Real Madrid doesn’t tend to realise good transfer fees from their sales either, usually from clubs stupid enough to pay them like Chelsea (Morata) or United (di Maria, Casemiro). Juventus got burned with the Ronaldo transfer. And those aren’t players they wanted to keep either.

[mackie]

@YoullNeverWalkAlone

You say it took you five minutes to find the source, great, and again thanks for sharing. For the people stating that these are unlikely to be enforceable in the sporting realm, is the onus not on them to give a reason why or provide a source? Or should I just have said, “oh, you say it’s unenforceable, I believe you”.

I have edited/added two paragraphs you might have missed, so here they are.

This is even when I agree that asking the question you asked initially was not as nonsensical as some others people thought.

But if people are not reacting the way you want, it’s better to recalibrate your expectations rather than be agressive in the conversation because you believe you’re right.

[redalways]

How many different animal guises do you have???

[redfanman]

@Mascot

I think Konate is going this way too. He isn’t signing a new deal, has probably been tapped up by Real, and Wenger is absolutely right

That might be true, however i think fans are going to obsess and believe this is true in every case a player hasnt just signed a new contract…

[RedWhippet]

@redalways

How many different animal guises do you have???

[ZinedineBiscan]

@RedWhippet

@redalways

How many different animal guises do you have???

Christ, what did you eat?

[redalways]

Yeah I feel as though people need to take a chill pill and look at the wider picture.

It’s just like the people who were dooming and glooming because we lost/drew a couple of games here and there. It’s not always going to be the worst case scenario, and I think our recruitment team have more than proven themselves over the last few years no?

[redalways]

I don’t even have a horse in this race!

What I saw is that you were being really belligerent towards anyone who challenged you, and that’s what got me annoyed, because you had done zero research and had nothing factual to back up your arguments, yet you were demanding that others refute you with thoroughly sourced arguments.

[redalways]

That’s your question?

Mine was going to be, what are you eating?

[RedWhippet]

@ZinedineBiscan

Christ, what did you eat?

Genuinely, that kitten is actually called Lulu.

[mackie]

@cynicaloldgit

Fuck me. Don’t you lot have anything better to do?

The season is not even finished, and there’s the whole summer to come.

Imagine being us.

[Zoran]

We’re not a Sevilla.

Overall in the football food chain from top to bottom, we are among that company up there. More often than not, we are among those final destinations. And if for some players there is another little level, I can live with it. We’re all different and can only talk and imagine what we would do. Stay at Liverpool forever (must be damn good to even merit that opportunity) or wish something different at a certain point.

There are also no strict rules in football just how many clubs are ahead of us in terms of attracting players, that can also be very subjective and it can change from time to time.

Leagues, clubs, etc. Italy, England, Spain… some things remain the same and some things change a little bit with different times.

Real’s power has certainly gone up a little bit in these modern times especially since the Decima and them going on an incredible run in Europe.

It’s a team with stars in their or coming to their peak, not perfectly balanced but far from the sort of things they used to do in early to mid 00’s (especially after '02). Bernabeu renovated, for some players also the lifestyle… really not hard to understand why it’s attractive. It’s dead easy, objectivelly speaking (leaving the possible subjective tastes aside for a moment).

Our power has also gone up in recent times. It’s not only Real above us though, only players themselves can decide where they want to go next. I never had a problem with it, there can be different combinations of motivations that lead to these decisions. Sporting and private.

I can live quite comfortably with having a player like Trent for 8-9 years instead of always 15 or whatever. That is also beautiful and rare. It’s a shame and I’ll miss him, I’m certainly not indifferent. Whether he 100% wanted Real or 51%, it doesn’t really matter. I trust him that it wasn’t an easy decision, but it’s best when it’s honest and we move on respectfully.

Whether it’s Real, Barca, Bayern, the biggest Italian clubs, some other English clubs, PSG, whatever… for some, the power might be lower at the moment, but they still represent the biggest opportunities.

[Prolix]

@cynicaloldgit

Fuck me. Don’t you lot have anything better to do?

Congratulations, you somehow managed to ask the most stupid question in this thread.

[SixpenceNun]

“Since you knew the lascivious nature of the rites of sportive [transfer speculation]* as well as the dissoluteness of the games, and the license of the populace, why, stern Cato, did you enter the theatre? Did you come in only that you might go out again?” - Martial, 1.pr.2

** a slight alteration to the translation may have been made

[Limiescouse]

@redalways

I do wonder if people are focusing too much on the supposedly forgone transfer fees (you can’t get a transfer fee if no clubs are willing to buy them to begin with), and not on the total opportunity cost. Perhaps we might have lost out on a transfer fee for Alexander-Arnold, but had we renewed his contract a couple of years ago, we might well have had to pay quite a lot more in wages as well.

Yeah for those whose negative reaction is centered around him creating a situation where we get no transfer fee, this is a critical counter consideration. Trent signed his last deal with us when he was 22. He was an important player even then, having been first choice in the team for 3 full seasons by then. But this next contract had he signed it would have represented a big bump in money. Over the course of the 2 years that is a lot of money he has left on the table, money we have saved, by having the situation play out like this. It is unlikely to be enough to make up in full for what his market value if in contract would have been, but it is not nothing. Conservatively, it would have probably been 15m quid.

[Limiescouse]

@SixpenceNun

“Since you knew the lascivious nature of the rites of sportive [transfer speculation]* as well as the dissoluteness of the games, and the license of the populace, why, stern Cato, did you enter the theatre? Did you come in only that you might go out again?” - Martial, 1.pr.2

** a slight alteration to the translation may have been made

Another one whose career was ruined by moving to Utd.

[The-AllMightyReds]

So we’ve got Vanderson supposedly available for 25m, Wesley for 30m and Frimpong with a 30m release clause and we’ve been linked to all by numerous reports this week? Yeah, safe to say we’re 100% after a RB.