To the dismay of many, I never really loved Star Wars or Star Trek. Space is utterly bewildering for me.
On topic,
From now on, I will just laugh at all transfer rumors until something actually happens. So, here goes,
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Ah, youâll have missed the gag then. The Measure of a Man is one of the classic STTNG episodes. I AM a big fan 
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I remember watching and liking Star Trek in my teen years. But never really got it when I tried to watch again 20 years later.
I accidentally posted in the Links Only thread! Reposting over here for discussion. Regarding the link German Red just posted regarding United suddenly in the mix for Saul.
Imagine the fume. And full transparency, Iâm not pretending to be above it, either.
I donât entirely believe this sudden United involvement but if it came to pass Saul signed with United Iâd be really annoyed.
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Iâll believe it when James Ducker confirms it, heâs always in on things going on there. Not going to lie, Iâd hate it if they signed a player of such calibre and ability, heâs precisely what their team needs in order to challenge for trophies. They tried to sign him a few years back, just like they did with Varane, weâll see whether they return for Saul as well.
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Tbh weâve been linked under Rodgers but over the years Saul was often linked with ManU.
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I donât even know where theyâd find minutes for him with all the players they have but I suppose money talks and not much else matters. I tried to resist the urge to get too attached to the possibility of Saul coming here, but unfortunately Iâm fully invested. It would really bother me to see him go to United.
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This Zach Lowy lad is now quoting the source. I donât particularly care for this boy but he seems to think there is something to it and he does have a few connections.
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Couldnât care less who our rivals sign. Sancho and Saul to ManU. Kane and Grealish to City. Haaland to Chelsea. Let it happen.
We do things our way. They spend big money and hope they will hit the jackpot with it.
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I donât at all disagree.
My opinion was more just based in my own emotion, in a vacuum so to speak. I really like the player and was excited about the possibility of him playing for our club.
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Man United follow the usual âshiny new toyâ principle (for other examples see Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs and, to a lesser extent admittedly, City).
Basically transfers at all clubs are usually a lot more complex and involved than we fans tend to know. Clubs can talk to each other seriously for over a year and players/agents tend to know of interest/possible future plans earlier. Not all of these moves end up happening and at a good run club like LFC they can be really well thought out and hugely dependant on Klopp for final triggering when the time is right.
These other clubs the directors or owners who have wanted these targets may have been planning out for a while, sometimes whilst multiple different people could have been the manager.
An example is Fabinho, United had been sounding out him/his agent/his club over multiple seasons, their plans were actually still seemingly for him at RB when he hadnât played that position for awhile, thatâs how old they were. Liverpool worked on it for over a year, importantly with manager input (one manager for us multiple for them) giving the player the confidence that it was a well planned thing and heâd be a main part of Klopps plans, reassurance that matters to players. So he fully committed to us and sent the messages to United via his agent that absolutely no way was he interested in going there anymore (although technically they never got round to making an official bid I donât think).
All this can mean it doesnât actually matter the ability, performance or potential of the players currently in the positions the target plays in.
So you end up with situations like Abraham at Chelsea. He was doing fine, they had ended up having to rely far more on a seemingly limited club developed CF than they wanted due to their transfer ban and injuries etc. and he turned out to not be limited and actually pretty damn good. So they bought new forwards theyâd been working on under one manager which were then suspiciously perfect for another manager who they definitely werenât talking to early no sir. Instead of these forwards being used with Abraham (at least one of which seemed an ideal fit to play off him in Werner) Tammy was benched and those forwards played even when in bad form. Such a shit situation Tammy didnât even make the bench for cup finals he helped get them to by being their top scorer last season. And now heâs being binned off.
The shiny new toy always gets played whenever possible by these clubs. It doesnât actually matter how good or bad they play. It certainly doesnât matter how well the others in their position were doing before or after the arrival. All the existing players can hope for is the new guy misses enough game time or flops hard enough that the existing guy can get significant game time and somehow turn it around like Shaw did at United against Telles. But would that have worked if Shaw wasnât himself an ex shiny new toy?
The Andy Robertson story would never happen at these clubs, even if bought as cover in the first place (actually doubtful from the off), heâd have probably never got picked to play enough behind Moreno and Milner despite being better and the following summer theyâd have spent big on a new shiny toy of a left back who, again regardless of performance, would have replaced Moreno and played all the time when available.
At those clubs it takes a hell of a lot of circumstances coming together for a diamond in the rough or even an understated academy graduate to break through. At Chelsea that only happened because of the transfer ban.
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As per the @Bekloppt post in the non discussion thread please can this happen???
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Unreliable though
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Nik I call you out on this every year mate. Man Utd arenât getting better. Their signings are irrelevant and most likely will bust. Forget them, this is a two team league.
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Thereâs always an exception that proves a rule haha
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What gets me excited about a prospective Liverpool signing is how Klopp and his coaches will improve and take those players to another level.
Utd are managed by Ole Gunnar Solskjaer.
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But what happens when they arenât?
Their record of appointing managers post-Fergie strongly susggets that you have nothing to worry about
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Weâll all be dead?
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