The Unreliable Rumours Discussion Thread (Part 1)

After his good performance with England I would bring back Coady he was very vocal and marshal led the England defense Well

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With 3 years left on his contract he is too expensive now.

Next year he could be a great option as Matip replacement (if he wants to leave) or if one of Matip, VvD (:scream:) or Gomez suffer a long term injury with bad timing.

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There’s a similarity taking shape with what’s going on here and JĂŒrgen’s time at Dortmund. Obviously LFC are in a much more comfortable financial position than Dortmund, even with Covid related setbacks, but the similarities are there if you look close enough. Clubs around us are spending more money than ever to take the power back away from us, and we continue to find new ways to develop the talent we have in-house.

The following is an excerpt from a piece written on The Athletic this week about The Boss’s time in Dortmund and how He plans to not only defend our title this year, but attack it. At the risk of sounding overly dramatic it does begin to sound similar to what’s happening here. I subscribe to the Athletic so I won’t paste the entire article, but I found this bit rather poignant:

At the very height of their powers, they then humiliated Bayern in the German cup final, a triumphant 5-2 win that had newspapers earnestly proclaiming” a power-shift” in domestic football.

But instead, that night in Berlin marked rather an end of sorts. Dortmund did go on to contest the Champions League final in the following season, losing to Bayern, but never came remotely close to such perfection again domestically.

The red empire of Bavaria struck back by investing heavily into their squad, copying key components of Klopp’s innovative ways and lastly striking at the very heart of Klopp’s side, luring Mario Gotze (in 2013) and then Robert Lewandowski (in 2014) from their rivals.

Financially, Dortmund were in no position to halt this onslaught. Klopp’s pressing and counter-pressing system had also been widely adopted throughout the league and partially blunted by smaller sides sitting deep in their own half. Each season, Dortmund lost some of their explosive edge. A lack of footballing progress beyond the novelty factor from 2010-12 turned into downright regression.

By 2015-16, the back-to-back champions were all but gone as a team. Along with the coach who had led them.

My point in all this is NOT that I hope the Club go to market and spend frivolously to keep up, my hope is the club always backs The Boss in whatever he needs. He is a treasure and we are lucky to have him.

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I believe that FSG folks are good students of history, and would know the proper way forward.
(May be accused of drinking the Kool Aid.)

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Agreed @CanuckoLFC. I want to like your post but I have to wait another hour til my likes replenish! :innocent:

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I believe you have to click on the reply symbol and then click on the speech balloon in the top left corner of the reply box thing. As I just have.
Click on the speech balloon before you start typing in order to put the quote above your reply.

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I think Klopp’s Dortmund issues were not buying players, more keeping the ones they had. Bayern would pick off their best ones year after year.

Klopp didn’t need or want huge backing in the market. He just wanted to keep his team together. FSG have delivered that and it’s actually where all the money has gone (John).

At the same time, I think such is Klopps standing at the club, if he really had need to do business FSG would back him. I think it’s inconceivable they would risk pissing off Klopp at this point.

What more likely is that Klopp Edwards and FSG are entirely on the same page regarding spending money.

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I’d actually go further than than this.

If Koumetia has joined Van Den Berg and Hoever in being really rated by the club, the. It’s actually damaging to bring in anything other than a veteran cover CM.

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LOL. Yeah our reliance on our Front 3 will be our Downfall
 Said NOBODY after Salah scored a HAT TRICK to power our 4-3 win over Leeds United! Journos produce such RUBBISH!

Read the same and thought - meh, it’s the daily express. No chance they would even know what day of the week it is, let alone what transfer targets clubs would be planning - especially a foreign club

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I think the way things ended at Dortmund led many people to think Klopp couldnt adapt to the changes he faced, but we can see from his time here that isnt true. He has been somewhat flexible and is smart enough to adapt where we need to.

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Klopp isn’t the type to demand anything though. Even if he is desperate to refresh the front three or sign Thiago he wouldn’t make a big deal over it. That’s not who he is.

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Define demand. Plenty of key people at Dortmund have spoken on his willingness to state his case in very strong terms.

He understands the limitations he and the club works under - that doesnt make him some patsy.

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Um
, he identified we needed a centre half, so we went and got one. He identified we needed a better goal keeper. We got a new one, twice. And so on.

He knows the weaknesses in the squad and the club know where they need to spend. The issues now are value and uncertainty in future revenue.

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I think that the uncertainty (caused by Covid) is the over-riding issue, far exceeding what might be currently perceived to be “value for money”.

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Agreed. You wouldn’t agree terms with a player if there wasn’t a desire to sign them. I suppose the fee might be a sticking point though? :thinking:

Interesting to see the latest from Pearce saying a CB and a wide forward are priorities if we can move a few on, especially after the chat about Fabinho being a centre back option.

Really do think we’re generally far better with him in the midfield than we are without him most of the time. Personally I wouldn’t be keen to see him forced back into defence if we can get a Klavan type.

Was also interesting to see the make up of the bench yesterday. All our centre mid options featured bar Ox. If we added Thiago that’d mean at least two options not even making the bench each game.

If Matip was injured, as he often is, that’d mean Fabinho would always need to be one option. Can’t see Henderson not being included. That would leave one starting and two, maybe three bench spots for a lot of very good players before you even add Thiago.

If budgets are tight, think we’re better looking at a wide forward than a centre mid despite the class of Thiago. That’s of course assuming Gini stays.

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I think the key part in that, is the loss of two of his most important players.

This Forum reply System is really annoying.

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Sell us Gini for a ridiculously low amount or we will continuously post links to all your players.

I was thinking more along the lines that as there is no certainty regarding when fans might be allowed to attend matches, the potential loss of match-day revenues, together with the reduction in TV moneys, means that the total fund available for transfers will be substantially reduced. (There should also be downwards pressure on player wages). In this new, more constrained, financial reality, the transfer market will slow down, becoming essentially a buyers market, and, as a consequence, player valuations should eventually fall.

In saying that, it might take a while before there is a realignment in player value; all this means is that in the intervening period, until there is a downwards adjustment in the market, there is a significant risk that players will be bought at above their “real” value.

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