If Klopp was the kind of manager who routinely shits on his players to get rid of them, like a Mourinho would, players would be far less likely to crawl over broken glass to come and play for him.
The way he builds bonds with his players is one of his biggest strength, but like all strengths there is also a cost.
This is the whole post. Iâm not missing the point. Itâs not a hard point to understand. I disagree that itâs soooo hard to do. Sometimes it canât be done.
Laughable. Hostile. Nope. A bit of sarcasm. By the way you have no problem forcefully making your point. Your hardly a shrinking violet.
You seem to think there is nothing we could have done I think there is. Weâll agree to disagree then?
Donât want that Machiavelli fellah either.
Exactly. We havenât had many good Italians at Anfield!
Think this is a little overstated. Other than Virgil (who was 4(?) Years ago now), who else fits that category. On the flipside, weâve kept some fairly below par midfielders on the books far longer than is ideal. The likes of real just get rid and that doesnât seem to have reduced their attractiveness at all.
Thatâs because they are Real. We arenât in the same league as them in terms of attracting talent.
In terms of attractiveness of project, RM is right up there.
As for the rest, it is debatable, depending on what the player is looking at.
If they want money, it is the oil clubs.
If they want to play for the best managers in the world to have the patience to bring out the best in players, Ancelotti and Klopp will be among the top few.
I read your whole post first time. The last paragraph is where I would say the issue of the player not wanting to move comes in. Case in point is Winston Bogarde. Absolutely refused to leave Chelsea and his hefty contract despite being told heâs not wanted, he wonât play, being frozen out, made train with the youth sides etc.
He didnât leave until his contract expired and he was paid every last penny he was due.
My point is selling a player isnât just up to the selling club. And the closer a player is to his contract expiring, the more likely he is to just sit and wait for that to happen and then he has full control of his next move.
And thereâs diddly squat the selling club can do.
This highlights the issue though. If youâre having that conversation with them when theyâve got a year left then the motivation for them to sit tight for another year is even higher as a bosman deal likely gets them a nice old pay day.
Have that conversation with two or three years to go and most players professional pride and personal ambition will see them look for somewhere they can go and actually play. Bogarde is very much an outlier. Not many players will give up four years of a very short career, happy to be frozen out but picking up a pay cheque.
Perhaps we should be making decisions on some of these guys a bit earlier on. Weâve got another one coming with Thiago next summer too. Canât see us moving him on this summer but also can we really expect more than 20 odd games from him next season?
As for contracts, it works both ways. But players seem to be comfortable to push to leave when they want and you rarely see clubs holding them against their will, they generally find a solution.
The Ubahn news in Berlin says Bayern are open to selling Sadio.
Not saying we should be in for him, but hopefully another warning to those thinking of jumping ship.
They do of course and I never suggested otherwise, but it can and does happen when players do not want to leave especially if it results in a loss of income.
Bogarde is an extreme example I used, but it was made abundantly clear to him he didnât feature in the managerâs plans weâll before the final year of his contract.
Getting sidetracked and I donât wish to move away from what this thread is for. I agree that in 99% of cases when a player is told he isnât wanted heâll move. But there is that 1% and clubs cannot force them out.
No hindsight needed with regards to Ox, we should have worked hard to find a solution that let him leave but nobody here knows why it didnât happen.
With Keita I think there was always this belief that heâll sort out his injury issues. So maybe we tried to hold on to him as his was normally a series of minor injuries (I think?), at least compared to Ox.
In this transfer if we finish with McAllister, Ugarte, and a strong rb, i will have a good summer
Whoâs gonna start the Mac Allister thread? Seems appropriate at this point.
Please donât jinx it.
Oh just rename the Jude Bellingham one!
Itâs time and for it to be announced so early it will give the club and fans opportunity for a proper send off. It will be special.
Three parties need to agree any move. Buying club. Selling club. Player. (Not to mention various associated people like agent, family, etc.)
Letâs limit this to Ox.
Bought him from Arsenal. I could see the thinking. Playing in midfield, breaking through the lines, shooting.
He didnât tear it up for us, but he was starting to come to the boil when he got that bad injury. And that was after another couple of bad injuries over his whole career.
So, he missed a LOT of football, but we rightly stood by him, and nurtured him back to health.
When he came back, was he the same?
No. He was game and all, but had lost a yard of pace. And in addition, the team had moved on, so he was well down the pecking order. Arguably had we played him more he might have got to a better level. On the flip side, there werenât too many clamoring for us to play the Ox at the time either.
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Sell him? Yes, by all means. But remind me, what were the offers? I donât remember any. I canât imagine we would have been holding out for a stupid fee. But a modest fee, and someone else taking his wages off our books would very likely have seen a deal completed. Assuming of course, there was a team who wanted him on those terms, and he wanted to go.
In all likelihood, there wasnât. Or if there was, he decided to stay.
Train. Try to work hard and catch the managers eye. Enjoy your salary. And if you donât force your way back into his plans again, leave on a Bosman, where your leverage will be at its peak.
Every individual is different. If some arenât near the team, they will agitate to move, and nothing will stop them. Others will knuckle down and try to change the managerâs mind. Still others will bide their time, so their work, not make an fuss, and wait for a Bosman, knowing that that will maximize their leverage for their next move. Itâs a rare person who will act like the Chelsea fella mentioned above.
Make Milner captain and Bobby vice captain in the last home game of the season, against Villa.
If Champions League is still a possibility then I donât think either of them will play.