Doesn’t need any “spurring” on for that…
Νaive question but is there any chance that he won’t be able to run due to legal issues? Like getting indicted for any of his numerous transgressions which range from orchestrating the assault to the Capitol to mishandling sensitive material and everything in between.
The problem is so far everything coming out in opposition to him so far is indistinguishable from the way the likes of Jeb and Rubio approached him in 15-16. A different environment came make the same approach work, but I am incredibly dubious that environment will hold given the media continued desire to facilitate him sucking the oxygen out of the room.
There doesn’t appear to be. It looks like the most likely route to him being barred is through Republican cooperation to either pass legislation to change that or run another impeachment that they preemptively commit to voting for this time. There is also a clause of the 14th amendment that theoretically could be used to bar him. So avenues are there but it would require elected republicans to stand up to take those steps.
How about Murdoch’s reported opposition to him?
Although in saying that, some of these headlines in response to this announcement look like the entire media leadership was changed over night and all of a sudden they’ve figured out how to present reality as reality
Even NYT belatedly got in on the act
He was in 2015-16, it didn’t last
I was actually gonna ask you about this, given you have pointed it out repeatedly in the past.
It seems from afar that the framing has changed…same on the ground?
Definitely, I just dont know how meaningful it is. There would be a natural reduction in interest around him after losing and not really part of the stage anymore, and just as natural that some MAGA types would be inclined to go shopping for a new totem. We definitely see evidence of that, but its mostly being pushed by people who have a personal interest in Trump going away. I think the majority are going to be inclined to jump back on board once they have done their shopping and realize the alternatives are actually shit copies, and then it’s going to be a test of wills for those on the right to see how long they feel they continue to oppose that once it starts rebuilding momentum. These fucks have never been known for having a backbone so I am skeptical of how that will go.
It’s easy to forget now how much the establishment was opposed to him at the beginning. Murdoch personally was, but conceded to covering him the way they did because it drew eye balls, but they still in those days had a lot of people on air criticizing him or supporting others. Chris Christie was one of the only candidates who meaningfully went after him. Cruz contonued to warn of his dangers right through to the official nomination. Kellyanne Conway was Cruz’s campaign chair and the most viscous never Trumper before she became a Trumper. Lindsay Graham mad the statement that they knew who Trump was and if they nominated him it will ruin the party and they will deserve it. He has already jumped on the Trump 2024 train.
As long as his Maga zombies keep donating to his election fund, he will be running for President for as long as possible.
If gets the nomination he will be justified, if he doesn’t it will be because the election was corrupt.
I realize The View isn’t the greatest source of info, but this seems accurate.
You missed the best one. (And the one he’ll be most bothered about.)
The NY Post buried his announcement on Page 26 and referred to him as ‘a Floridian retiree’ !
I think last time there was some limited opposition to Trump early on, but people quickly got on board once they saw the momentum. And early on, even though everyone knew he was an uncouth maverick, they told themselves that he would shake up the world of politics for the better, on the whole.
Now we know.
I think this time the opposition will be more robust, and will be longer lasting. Off the top of my head I see Mike Pence with his own ambitions, and he is starting to speak out a bit more. Ron DeSantis hasn’t kowtowed to Trump and fallen in line, so he has drawn ire from the Orange one. And I think Nikki Haley also harbors ambitions to run for President, or at least it felt like that a while ago. There will be others who will emerge too.
After winning the Presidency and promising so much winning they would all get sick of winning, Trump has delivered loss, loss, loss through three election cycles - midterm, Presidency, midterm.
When a bully is in his pomp, he flattens all before him. When only one or two brave souls speak up, they usually get squished too, but crucially they put a chink in the armor, and it gives permission for others to stand up to the bully.
I think we are nearing that stage now.
Trump will spend a lot of energy fighting others within his own party. Will he be able to subdue them? I’m not so sure about that, but while the fight rages, it will be entertaining and it will hopefully damage the GOP for 2024.
I think that misremembers both how much establishment opposition there was for him and how slow it was to come on board. Most of the people who fell by the wayside stayed in opposition to him right up the nomination was made official. At the convention there were credible reports of moves being made to organize backroom deals that would see Cruz get the nomination…and even his own party hates Cruz. Jeb famously stated not only would he not endorse him that he was not even going to vote for him. It wasn’t until he won, until after he’d beat them all, their media apparatus and all, that they got on board. We need to remember that as we see these criticisms of him now and other candidates being propped up.
To the degree things may be different now than they were in 15-16 it is not because people are speaking out. If it is different it will be because they have more effectively learned how to voice that opposition.
Let the circus begin. Lovin it already.
But Trump, you got zippo chance pal.
I disagree. Never underestimate the ability of human stupidity.
No one ever thought Boris would get elected PM. No one ever thought Truss would get voted PM. When she got given the arse, people were wanting Boris back as PM, just 10 weeks after he got the arse from the job originally.
The American public have already shown they are stupid enogh to vote in George W Bush and Trump, so being stupid enough to vote Trump in a 2nd time is not something to dismiss.
Words to live by.
Disagree - the Trump ship has well and truly sailed.
I kinda get why he was given a crack in round 1 whether it be anti Hillary, Hillary incompetence, unPC non politician Trump, sales bullshit, simply a change or whatever that I guess only the voters can explain.
And then it became a debacle and that chaos at the end was astonishing. You cannot be given another chance after that by the swing vote.
Now I know old Joe ain’t exactly inspiring. So the Dems should just punt him. If it is Joe v Trump again that is simply embarrassing. Surely not.
But in an information environment where Truth is whatever you want it to be, Probably 40% of the country dont understand that it was a shambolic presidency. It’s where the “if only he’d stop tweeting” idea came from…as if he was doing a good job but was just upsetting people with his naughty words. Read any establishment RW publication, WSJ or National Review, or even bog standard RW opinion writers at places like WaPo, that is how they frame him. A successful president who couldn’t get out of his own way with his nasty words. Sure, not everyone reads these publications, but the narrative trickles down into the public consciousness, especially when Fox gussies it up.