Footballers just want to play and if you are a player with a good injury record then you feel that you’ll be ok
Dom was very odd, the guy was literally limping off the field, unlike with Jota and Alisson who jogged off.
I always felt that was going be a long one and then he came back, evidently he was fine to play as he played one and a half games, same as Trent.
They didn’t suddenly collapse 30 mins after they came back.
I think Trent was too much too soon and probably is still fit if the sad news with Bradley didn’t happen.
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Or that even with the best personnel and resources, injuries are pretty enigmatic leaving you in a place that even with all the best judgment in the world you get outcomes that arent ideal
As I said if they had gone down within an hour of their return then they were rushed back.
Trent played a fair bit.
I very much doubt that Klopp knew they weren’t ready and still played them. He must have been told they were ready to go. Evidently, they weren’t.
He didn’t play that much and he didn’t look right.
Of course not. That would be malpractice and is also the exact opposite of what I said.
I wasn’t insinuating that you referred to Klopp.
Ok, maybe there has been some crosswires so I’ll take a step back.
Whenever players experience set backs there tends to criticism of the medical and coaching staff for having got it wrong and questions asked about what the hell we are doing. The reality is the science on injuries is incredibly incomplete (what causes them, how to quantify that risk…fuck or even to qualitivative describe it, how to assess recovery, the role pain plays in all of this). The result is that in practice even experts with the best resources available to them are left with a model that doesn’t go much beyond making informed guesses so even the very best are making decisions that have a lot of margin for error.
It is an extreme example, but I have an associate who was feeling difficulty even putting his shoes on and then the next day went out and broke the squat world record while being completely pain free in competition and felt no unusual after effects. Yet 12 months later found himself bed ridden after feeling something in a warm up well under 50% of what he was planning on doing on that day. So on the one hand he experienced a signal that most would have interpreted as an indication to take it easy, yet ignoring it resulted in no decrease in performance or resulting injury or worsening of symptoms. And on the other hand on a different day he utterly fucked himself on something incredibly low risk with no prior warning at all that something was about to go wrong. We spend all this money on this stuff but it is still a bit of a lottery.
This doesnt preclude people being irresponsible (Roy trying to run some discipline and steel into Sturridge and ultimately ruining his career), but 99 times of out of a hundred someone has a set back because injuries have a pretty random element to them.
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It is human to get sick or injured. It doesn’t matter if its a top class athlete or a 20 stone smoker.
We can mitigate against injury with precautions and training.
We can’t stop physical contact in high performance sports like football.
Shit happens sometimes, even when all responsible give the green light and you do the right thing.
Some players don’t look right after injuries.
I think there are very few have come back and performed.
Considering how careful we’ve been I don’t think there was anything to suggest he couldn’t play, same with Dom.
It’s the first time it’s happened since Klopp came here if my memory serves me well.
I understand that and I’m not saying that it can’t be accidental, or that it was 100% preventable.
It’s the fact that both TAA and Szoboszlai went down almost as soon as they returned that’s leading me to believe that errors were made regarding their treatment and rehabilitation. It’s entirely possible that one case has nothing to do with the other; it just looks too much of a coincidence to me.
Yeah shit happens, you might lose a game you didn’t deserve to lose, you might get knocked out a cup on pens, you might lose a player or 2 to illness/pain for a few weeks.
We’ve hit the point where we’ve had 11 players out at once, that isn’t normal. The rapid surge of injuries and the severe extent of the lay offs we’ve had in the last 3-4 years to the 16-17 through to 19-20 seasons is scary crazy & it’ll be interesting to see to what affect next season has in store.
Now I’m no medical expert so I’m not gonna draw up any conspiracy theories but how much longer are fans gonna sugar coat around this and imply “it’s just a case of bad luck due to the physical demands the sport carries” as the sole reason and before they start to point the finger closer to home?
It’s bad luck not bad judgment. I trust the club, the medical team, and the players to all work well together on injury recovery. We do as well as humanly possible given the knowledge and resources we have and have access to, but sometimes unforeseen things happen, as it is an inexact science.
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It’s not all luck, of course. Multiple times, I’ve spoke about that on here. Wondered. Because we don’t know enough from the outside. To have a healthy situation every two seasons is not really sustainable at this level. Since 19/20, it’s been going a little bit up and down, from season to season. Like we can’t put two high quality seasons together. Though that’s not all down to injuries of course.
On Trent now, it didn’t seem to me like we did something wild. Lost a bit of rhythm and how you get that rhythm back, well by playing games when they give the green light. We had some changes in the medical department also. On Szobo, maybe it would be smart if he could introduce more variation when he hits the ball (not necessarily only shots), not always go “knuckle” style.
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The Trent one sounds as if he caught his studs in the turn an tweaked/aggravated his knee. That, for me, is more down to bad luck.
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Also very likely to aggravate even something that was recovered from.
There is a story circulating about Trent being harrassed by a deranged stalker for years and he had to hire security everywhere he went. The stalker even turned up at the Axa Training ground.
I would put a link on by ‘The Athletic’, but the source is from that scumbag tabloid.
Why are they putting out this story on matchday, what does this achieve?
Because it’s that scumbag tabloid.
Glad he isn’t involved today but this sounds horrible.
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