hmmmm…
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I’d say you couldn’t make it up but this year has proven that reality is much stranger than fiction.
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Maybe it’s just evidence that Brexit isn’t actually about little Ingurland wanting to become insular after all? Odd that, huh?
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But but …that line of thinking doesn’t fit the narrative
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Quite. Hence why it’s being laughingly derided as “the most Brexit thing wot ever happened” and some numpty mocking the “taking back control” tag.
Both showing total ignorance about the entire thing, even now.
Actually, it’s difficult to imagine something more outward looking than employing a French firm to monitor shipping vessels in UK waters so thanks for that. That’s a wonderful example of the Brexit I and many others voted for. Now to hopefully start welcoming Non-EU migrants on exactly the same terms as those from the EU.
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The joke is that Covid’s effect on the economy will be much more severe than BREXIT. None of us on this side of the fence think it will be painless but it will be worked out. Paying millions of people’s wages for months will be a huge millstone for many years.
Shame Labour didn’t win the last election really as they were at least scrapping BREXIT. Weren’t they?
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I could go on for a long time about in which direction I would like the EU to head, what its mistakes are (imo) and so on…maybe another time. Overall I think people are quick to point out the flaws and sometimes undervalue what it has achieved. But let’s face it, I’m not going to turn someone like you into an EU enthusiast anyway.
Generally I’m willing to take a bet on an often flawed, complicated international project. Certainly more inclined to that than going back to more of the same old nationalism. I apreciate that may be informed by a particular point of view, certainly personal experiences/biography etc, maybe even being German in some regards (not every German agrees though, obviuously).
At the end of the day though - EU or not - like it or not - for me personally Europe still includes you ungrateful bastards ( 
it’s a joke, no need to get out the naval vessels)
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Yep, predictable. I know because I was one of those who did.
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If you made a persuasive argument you could 
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Ha. Tbf, it’s not like we’ve had these types of discussions before though, at length. Neither you succeeded in persuading me of the overwhelming benefits of Brexit nor have I succeded in persuading you of the overwhelming benefits of the EU.
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Well it’s all going swimmingly isn’t it.
We can have the right/left eternal argument, but really Brexit isn’t the best hand for you to play is it.
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Whoa! Ease up. Don’t blow your load in the transition period.
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You keep saying things like this. You’re very keen to pull us up when we make generalisations about the reasons why people voted Brexit, but you are all to fond of making the same sweeping generalisations, albeit in a positive direction.
You might have voted out of concern at the direction of the European project. A worrying amount of people voted to leave because the thought it would mean we could deport all the Muslims. Some of them wanted blue passports. A lot were just fucking furious at decades of neoliberalism and disenfranchisement and took the opportunity to kick the shit out of the government in a vote that actually mattered. You don’t get to ascribe motive to 51% of the voters any more than I do.
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I don’t think it will actually.
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Mate, seriously. If the UK immigration goes up after Brexit, people will be rioting. Concern (as in there is too much) about immigration was obviously the biggest factor in the leave vote carrying.
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But staying in a corrupt unelected institution that we would have no control over in what we can and can’t do is the best hand you can play?
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You cannot really compare the two.
Covid is a supply and demand shock, with differential effects on sectors. There will be something like that with Brexit. But most economists don’t care very much about the one-time adjustment costs related to that shock, which will of course be much smaller than for the pandemic. For both, once you have paid off any debt incurred, the costs are done, and growth is largely unaffected well before that. It is sort of jarring that the UK could even be thinking about the one-time costs in the same frame as 9-month pandemic, but that is a testimony to a lack of confidence in the preparations to date.
The real concern with Brexit is the ongoing effect of the increased trade friction in what was seamless participation in the world’s largest trade area. That isn’t modelled as a shock, because it isn’t one. Depending on what framework for trade with the EU and other economies can be negotiated, those costs could range from quite small to enormous, dwarfing the one-time cost of covid in just a few years - but harder to detect as precisely, because a huge amount is ongoing opportunity cost.
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No, and not should they have. But they would have taken a no deal Brexit off the table and at least approached the negotiations like grown up.
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