Who said it would go up? I expect it to go down, marginally. I just want all immigrants to be treated equally, as I’ve said ad infinitum.
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We’ve been over this hundreds of times, but the idea that the EU is corrupt, unelected and unaccountable is a complete fallacy. We can’t have any kind of discussion if you just throw out baseless assertions.
This isn’t to say that the EU couldn’t improve in terms of transparency, but it’s simply ridiculous to look at the EU and UK and conclude that the UK is the lesser of two evils when it comes to democracy, corruption and accountability.
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The best hand I can play if that we had a referendum and vote leave won and moved on. .remainers have moaned, gave us eternal we are doomed scenarios and have protested and obstructed for four years…leavers have not…and let’s be honest if remain had won you’d be lording it over leavers and then saying as usual how stupid leavers would have been for protesting during those 4 years …the best hand as I said is we live in a democracy we voted to leave ,it was ignored and looked like may was selling out ,and then she went and working class people in the labour heartlands swallowed their political leanings and did the unthinkable and voted Tory because they want a democratic country that would honour the referendum, and they got one of sorts…but it’s better than what labour would have offered
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You’re right. Knee jerk reactions and short-termism is the preserve of those supporting remain. Carry on.
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Pfft. I think you are limiting yourself.
We should be extending the same courtesy to extraterrestrials too.
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Thank you. Don’t mind if I do.
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Baseless assertions ? Ok we voted to leave , the question was do you want to leave yes or no…and when we voted yes we want to leave we were told we didn’t understand it , well it appears we did , if it goes to shit maybe instead of looking at the 51 % that voted to leave and blame them ,maybe look at the ultra liberal left and their patronising attitudes towards everyday people who just wanted out and then did everything to make us resent them even more
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In all seriousness, i don’t think that employing French (or any Eoropean or Foreign firms) to do anything was the vision of taking back control that too many brexiteers had in mind.
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Any immigration policy that doesn’t discriminate will be welcomed by me.
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I think you’d be surprised. Painting Brexit as an act of an insular electorate was a gross misrepresentation of the reasons why many voted to leave.
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If remain had won then the whole idea of Brexit would now be a distant memory. Nigel Farage would still be kicking off and the Tory party would still be pulling itself apart, but it wouldn’t have been the all consuming shit show it’s been for four years.
The reason why it’s been a shit show is not because of remainers. It’s because leavers fell for the idea that severing our ties with our biggest trading partner and ripping up all our regulatory alignment would be a piece of piss. This was a piss easy thing to vote for and a phenomenally hard thing to get done, largely because what you voted for was not understood or defined and had to be worked out after the fact. The ‘just get it done’ mob have never dealt in any kind of reality.
May, to her credit, actually brought to the table a deal which was about the best anyone could do. It was just as much torpedoed by leavers as remainers, and what it’s now looking like we going to accept if we avoid a no deal is not much different (although it will be spun as a coup for Boris). The reason for this is because there has been a continual refusal to accept the fundamental issue with Brexit. We can’t have the benefits of leaving and also expect all the benefits of being a member.
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Equally there are quite a few people in the UK that are still sunned that Boris Johnson is the PM.
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Tbf, most of these people were elected by foreigners, so there’s that
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I agree. First change will be stopping the discrimination of unskilled migrants.
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That’s not discrimination on the grounds of nationality. 
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Agreed. Take Airbus for example. Covis just means they slow production. Brexit may mean they up sticks and move to France. Which one has the bigger impact? Especially if it’s replicated in other areas, such as car manufacturing, Hmm hasn’t that happened already?
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How do we have no say in what we do or say?
Give me an example please.
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You voted to leave the EU. That’s fair enough. It’s a democracy, and even though it’s fucking idiotic in my view, thats what people wanted.
The problem is that nobody - not the politicians, the campaigners, the voters, the journalists - knew what leave actually meant.
And that’s why it’s taking ages. You ask 100 people what they voted for when they voted leave and you get 100 different answers. @Kopstar (if I remember rightly) voted to leave because he is worried about the direction of the EU project and was convinced calm heads would prevail and we’d end up on the single market through some kind of Norway + style deal. My Father in Law voted leave because he doesn’t like Muslims. To ‘get it done’ a path has to be found that isn’t too harsh for the moderate leavers, is acceptable to the hard brexiteers, and doesn’t completely alienate people who would prefer we didn’t leave at all who in all truth are probably the majority at this point.
As for the baseless assertions, your current Prime Minister has joked about how one of his first jobs was to file correspondence pieces from the EU to the telegraph, and would simply make them up. He has remarked how easy it was to make up some completely false story about how the EU we’re going to ban you from eating toast, or insist cheese was renamed Eurocheese, or something absurd. A lot of the mistrust of the EU comes from decades of these patently false scare stories.
So it’s unsurprising that people think of the EU as being undemocratic (it’s a lot more democratic than our own parliament) and corrupt (it’s a lot less corrupt than our own parliament). We’ve been drip fed these stories for a very long time.
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I fully expect it to go down. Simply because people will not want to come here anymore.
If you think the UK comes out of this with a shred of decency I think you are mistaken. It wouldn’t surprise me if we are viewed as a very right wing, nationalist group of nations now - an exact mirror of the government we have elected.
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[quote=“Kopstar, post:2182, topic:351, full:true”]I think you’d be surprised. Painting Brexit as an act of an insular electorate was a gross misrepresentation of the reasons why many voted to leave.
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Yes, I’d be very surprised. I’d be more inclined to say it was telling porkie pies in desperation, looking for some silver lining to hang some justification onto.
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