And yet immigration has been continually flagged as the biggest concern by leave voters.
I appreciate that your own reasons to leave were in good faith and understandable, but you seem very keen to try and convince everyone that Brexit was carried by a groundswell of informed and concerned citizens expressing a legitimate concern about the direction of the European project, but the evidence seems to show it was mostly racism, xenophobia and believing absurd things written on the side of buses.
Yes, Iād be very surprised. Iād be more inclined to say it was telling porkie pies in desperation, looking for some silver lining to hang some justification onto.
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Even if I and many others who voted Leave were saying exactly that years before the referendum?
Really?? Iām far from convinced the people you elected to lead the charge actually understand it. Not when you have Raab not understanding the importance of Dover and having not read the Good Friday Agreement.
Who was searching for the answer though? Were they ALL those who voted leave because in my own personal experience, more people were knowledgeable about the EU who voted leave than those that voted remain?
I think @kopstarās flaw here, and itās been this for a while, is that he had clearly thought long and hard about leaving, and came to a conclusion that although I disagree with was obviously well informed and motivated by good intentions. The problem is he assumes that most other people did the same, and the sad fact is that they didnāt.
I just think itās an interesting reflection and comment on an uninformed citizenship being asked to make a decision they donāt understand.
Your experience of leave voters is the exact opposite of mine. Mostly, to me, they tend come across as a bit thick, present company excepted. But I suppose weāre all going to be better disposed to people who agree with us.
Mine is the complete opposite to be honest but I will admit I donāt know many that voted out (my Dad was one on the basis the Germans and French were coming). I rarely ask which way people voted to be honest. Too much of a hot potato.
I do think there are people like yourself that were well informed and made a perfectly valid decision on that basis but I do think youāre in a minority. That i s evidenced (to me) by the fact that thereās not been any consensus on what arrangement we should have afterwards. Youāre normally given the reponse of āleave means leaveā (quite loudly I might add). You ask them WTO, Norway, Canada, etc etc. and the response is again āleave means Leaveā. They just donāt know.
Iām sure there are far nicer rock faces in eth Dolomites but I take your point on stamping their authority in the UK. That naughty little island on the edge of the Empire, with a dwindling Empire of their own.
Really? Letās just say that they are elected by the leaders of member states not the citizens and therefore they are not democratically by the 400-500 million European voters but you know this already Iām sure but will come up with some spin that itās not the case etc