UK Politics Thread (Part 1)

And yet immigration has been continually flagged as the biggest concern by leave voters.

I appreciate that your own reasons to leave were in good faith and understandable, but you seem very keen to try and convince everyone that Brexit was carried by a groundswell of informed and concerned citizens expressing a legitimate concern about the direction of the European project, but the evidence seems to show it was mostly racism, xenophobia and believing absurd things written on the side of buses.

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Yes, I’d be very surprised. I’d be more inclined to say it was telling porkie pies in desperation, looking for some silver lining to hang some justification onto.
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Even if I and many others who voted Leave were saying exactly that years before the referendum?

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Really?? I’m far from convinced the people you elected to lead the charge actually understand it. Not when you have Raab not understanding the importance of Dover and having not read the Good Friday Agreement.

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Number one google search in the United Kingdom on the morning after the referendum.

What is the European Union?

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Who was searching for the answer though? Were they ALL those who voted leave because in my own personal experience, more people were knowledgeable about the EU who voted leave than those that voted remain?

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I think @kopstar’s flaw here, and it’s been this for a while, is that he had clearly thought long and hard about leaving, and came to a conclusion that although I disagree with was obviously well informed and motivated by good intentions. The problem is he assumes that most other people did the same, and the sad fact is that they didn’t.

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I just think it’s an interesting reflection and comment on an uninformed citizenship being asked to make a decision they don’t understand.

Your experience of leave voters is the exact opposite of mine. Mostly, to me, they tend come across as a bit thick, present company excepted. But I suppose we’re all going to be better disposed to people who agree with us.

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Mine is the complete opposite to be honest but I will admit I don’t know many that voted out (my Dad was one on the basis the Germans and French were coming). I rarely ask which way people voted to be honest. Too much of a hot potato.

I do think there are people like yourself that were well informed and made a perfectly valid decision on that basis but I do think you’re in a minority. That i s evidenced (to me) by the fact that there’s not been any consensus on what arrangement we should have afterwards. You’re normally given the reponse of ā€œleave means leaveā€ (quite loudly I might add). You ask them WTO, Norway, Canada, etc etc. and the response is again ā€œleave means Leaveā€. They just don’t know.

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My guess is it was mostly Members of Parliament.

I’ll take my Euro Cunt coat now. :wink:

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Bollocks to this forum not being able to distinguish between capital letters and ironic capital letters. Joke.

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I actually did interview literally anyone I encountered and got hair-dryered a few times. My recollections are it was in this order:

  1. Immigration
  2. Federalism
  3. Fish

So I would follow up with, oh do you like fish…No.

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Like on Top Gear.

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The five presidents …how many EU citizens had a vote on this?

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Not him again? Really?
Why haven’t you answered my questions?

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And what have these 5 EU Presidents forced the UK to do?

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Chisel an outline of their faces into Scafel Pike.

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I’m sure there are far nicer rock faces in eth Dolomites but I take your point on stamping their authority in the UK. That naughty little island on the edge of the Empire, with a dwindling Empire of their own.

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Really? Let’s just say that they are elected by the leaders of member states not the citizens and therefore they are not democratically by the 400-500 million European voters but you know this already I’m sure but will come up with some spin that it’s not the case etc

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