UK Politics Thread (Part 1)

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Which five presidents?

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Not at all. My question to you was how do we not have a say in what we do as a nation.

The fact that we donā€™t have a direct vote for the EU president is not an example of how the EU imposes laws, restrictions etc. on the UK. It would be great if you can give an example of how the EU has restricted your life.

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Of the 4 united states and the united Kingdom?

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I presume he means three, the Presidents of the European Council, European Commission, and European Parliament?

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I want Arnie as our leader. The fact he played Conan is a fantastic throwback to our barbaric Celtic history.

Just need to find a dragon next.

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When I was foreboding the collapse of the EU 50 or so posts earlier, ā€¦actually the UK will, I expect, break up before. Once Sturgeon gets Indyref2 going I would expect Wales to follow.

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Please please please. There is some actual momentum growing on that front but I fear weā€™re too far back to be honest. I still hope though, I think we have a lot to offer as a small independent nation free of England.

The irony with the EU is not lost on me here by the way.

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Unless Iā€™m mistaken you donā€™t have a direct vote for your PM either?

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No. We do have a say on the leading party in the Senedd but not the actual First Minister. The Queen does though??? Although Iā€™m sure thatā€™s more symbolic than anything else.

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The president of the parliament is nominated from amongst the MEPs you do vote for.

The president of the European Council is elected by the national governments that you do vote for.

The president of the commission is proposed by the European Council

Not sure who the other two are?

At this point you have to disentangle what the word ā€˜presidentā€™ usually conjures up in your mind, from what the roles are in the EU.

For example the roles involve a lot of ensuring the democratic chambers they lead run smoothly. A lot of logistics and ensuring process is followed.

They are obviously powerful positions, but they donā€™t hold anywhere near the autocratic control over the EU as the Prime Minister of the UK does over our Government, as our political system grants a huge concentration of power in the hands of one party, on more often than not, a minority of the vote.

Simply put anyone concerned about democracy in the EU, who voted leave on that basis - handing more power to our far more democratically deficient (not to mention corrupt) parliament has committed a gross intellectual fallacy.

And irony at the centre of this is that in the UK you donā€™t technically vote for your Prime Minister. You never have.

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The EU is undemocratic, say people who in all liklihood have never bothered to turn up and vote in an EU election.

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For once I was being 1D, which irony now you got me thinking?

I genuinely believe brexit will bring about the break-up of the UK, it will take the Scots to drive it but it will ultimately come down like dominoes, Bannockburn to Chepstow.

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See what I mean about the enlightened ones , you make all sorts of presumptions about people you never know and have no idea of what their motives was/areā€¦maybe leave your socialist worker circle and have a bit of respect for people who voiced THEIR democratic right.

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Long live Wessex after it has been born! :wink:

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That would be a sad day but from my personal view also a good one as there is a large amount of discontent at how Wales is drip fed by Westminster.

I think the lack of a cohesive strategy during this pandemic is a perfect example of that. The misalignment of lockdowns has not helped in any shape or form.

It would be a massively complex thing however and England (Westminster) will fight tooth and nail to stop it.

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Lack of respect for sovriegnty, no?

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In the UK your vote is for your local representative. The party with enough representatives gets to form a government, and from their MPs their nominate a Prime Minister. By convention thatā€™s usually the leader of the party.

Nothing to stop the Tories ditching Boris tomorrow and appointing Rees-Mogg as PM. He can run the country until 2024 and there is nothing anyone could do about it.

So broadly similar to the EU presidency, where you elect a local rep and they nominate a leader.

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:rofl: :rofl:

yes no different in the Senedd.

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Sounds a bit like the greatest democracy in the world!

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