Parents or family Welsh or Scottish?
Never was a thing in some parts.
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What about if the monarchy, instead of being abolished because it is a symbol of elitism, morphed into a position more in line with modern values?
If the head of state was seen as a servant to the public, less than a leader.
FWIW I think thereâs much worse things going on in the world than a hereditary ordained position as a symbolic servant of your great nation.
I understand some of the resentment, but a lot of it seems aimed at a very Victorian or earlier version of the crown.
She gets a big big house, but they also sacrifice a hell of a lot.
I can think of worse things than a leader who was shaped for the role from a young age and whoâs family is financially secure enough not to have to corrupt the system.
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Absolutely, the un-corruptible aspect is very important.
Iâve said before I donât mind the Queen as a person. Of course it isnât her fault, sheâll have shit to deal with and all that. On the whole though, she has lived a live of grotesque luxury and privilege.
What I object to is the way that the Monarchy establishes the very principle of inequality in our society. You rightly say that who you are and where you are born has a massive impact on what you can achieve - which is true in this country too. But tolerating a monarchy says very clearly that your bloodline, your pedigree, matters. The blood you carry in your veins matters, because we allow these people to demand our money, our power, and our obsequient subservience.
If you lament inequality, and think everyone is born equal, and support this institution you are guilty of hypocrisy. You canât say everyone is equal, but some people are more equal than others - and you throw the Orwell metaphors at me?
The tourism argument is horseshit as well. The history is there already, the buildings and the ceremony, and states that have shaken of this infantile state of affairs, do fine.
And I did feel proud at the Olympic Opening. Never more than the NHS section.
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What happened to innocent until proven guilty?
I donât think thatâs actually possible. The concept of monarchy is anti-democratic, elitist.
To be honest, I think the Monarchy is in its last days regardless. Younger people are far more stridently anti-monarchy than the old, and most of the support is based around the nice little old lady who sits at the top of it.
When Charles is king (and it will be Charles - talk of skipping a Generation renders the whole idea of hereditary Kings and Queens utterly pointless) I think public support will ebb away. Heâs thick as two short planks, a figure of ridicule, interferes far too much in democratic affairs, and the public just donât like him.
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My point is that everybody should be born equal but I acknowledge that theyâre not. Thatâs not hypocrisy, thatâs acceptance of reality. Why are we here on this forum? Because due to our birth or circumstances weâre Liverpool fans who donât believe that you have to be born within the shadow of Anfield to have an opinion. Bunch of wools the lot of us.
We get very excited when fabulously talented people do things with a football that we could only dream of doing. No amount of graft or hard work would have got me a starting birth at Accrington Stanley (who are they?) let alone Liverpool. We support a club whoâs results are largely based on paying the most talented footballers, QED those born with the greatest advantage. That advantage is often (but not always) genetic. The blood in their veins. Fair? No Just? No Fact? Yes
Neither. My Dad is English born to English parents. My Mum was South African, born to South African parents.
Iâm sure going back further there would be Welsh, Scottish maybe Irish ancestry but none that I could claim an association towards. Iâve just always felt British. Maybe itâs the passport?
I think thatâs a gross misrepresentation and when you say âpublicâ is this like one of those sweeping statements like âthe public now want to rejoin the EUâ that actually means, âthe people I choose to listen toâ?
Heâs been a great champion of the environment, human rights, charitable foundations, conscientious planning, organic farming, local produce, actually remarkably socialist ideals.
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Weâll see, I suppose. I certainly appreciate a lot of the things he says (and some of it is good, some less good), but itâs inarguable that heâs also a figure of mockery and ridicule as well. It is certainly noticeable that a lot of peopleâs support for the monarchy is actually more accurately described as support for the Queen.
By the way, according to YouGov The Queenâs popularity is 73% (positive opinion) and Prince Charles is 47%.
That might get a boost when he becomes king, but it might not.
Plus his Dutchy Original stem ginger biscuits leave one outstandingly gruntled.
Duchy Originals 
Iâm mildly dyslexic, donât laugh at me you IST!!!
Thatâs not how you spell 'unt
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I dont blame her.
I wouldnt tell you bunch of peasants how much money I have either 
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Bit like Rees-Mogg that.
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Really?
I`ve not seen any pics of him wearing a hat and a dress like that.
Not saying he doesnt mind you.
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