UK Politics Thread (Part 1)

I took it as a person they (Cummings and whoever is behind him) could manipulate to get the changes they wanted done, until Carrier started piping up with her own agenda (backed by ???)

I agree the interview did not scratch deep enough IMO.

I did allow myself a cheeky grin at Kuensburg being told that her political idol was a buffoon and utterly useless on TV. You could honestly see the gritted teeth. She must know though.

Greatest concern for me was the confirmation that the current PM isn’t really in charge. There are groups behind which are trying to bend things etc.

I have also wondered how many Leave voters feel about the fact that they have been lied to, openly now. I suspect that they don’t give a jot in reality as the doubling down continues which is the standard plan of attack for anything remotely political these days, even Covid thinking about it.

To be totally honest, you could say the same thing about all PM’s since Thatcher (possibly Major I don’t remember enough about him to recall if he was his own man or not)

yes I agree. Certainly pretty clear with Cameron as well. Manipulated to offering the referendum in the first place and secondly his links with Greensill. For me there’s also a massive question on the austerity money that’s never been remotely tackled.

the way that it was so opening revealed and how Cummings reveled in the glory of being part of this “gang” was quite alarming I think.

Downside is that it plays right into the hands of various conspiracy theories.

Something wrong here

Person who tells the truth asked to leave parliament
Person who lies / misleads the house, nothing

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Using an Unparliamentary Expression - see Erskine May para 21.21 General requirement for moderate language. :thinking:

It was moderate…compared to what I would have said

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I’d have called him a lying cunt, so I’d have probably been ejected through the ceiling.

Starmer should do exactly the same at PMQs, then the entire opposition walk out (Labour,SNPs, Lib Dems)

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He’s incredibly passive, isn’t he? Any opposition chief worth his salt would do the most with all these scandals emerging, and yet, here he sits, twiddling his thumbs and doing nothing to expose the dick who sits in that PM chair, and his cronies.

In my book, he has become a part of the problem now.

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The Labour approach must be down to tactics though right? Are they just waiting for the Tories to sink themselves?

Of course, and it is what most people believe; Bozo is an habitual, if not pathological liar.

But a member of the house cannot call another member “a liar”, even if it is patently true, the Speaker, in pursuance of Standing Order 43, will not permit it.

You might accuse the PM of “not telling the truth” (permitted by the Speaker, 1970), but you cannot call him, or any other member, a liar.

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That’s what I have thought until now, but not sure anymore.If there is no strong opposition to what Johnson and co. do, then the implicit message is clear: they are doing allright.

Yes unfortunately while it is entirely correct that we have rules that ensure that the place maintains levels of decency and mutual respect but unfortunately that’s gone completely out the window with Johnson.

There needs to be some checks in place that at least gets the likes of Johnson to correct the record when he does give false information. That clearly isn’t done and makes a mockery of everything

Tories aren’t going to sink themselves. Cameron, May, Johnson…Patel? Sunak?

It’s hard to know whether there are voters who will move away from the Tories, or stick with them. Better the devil you know…

Not according to the polls sadly, and I’m really struggling to see why. I find it incredibly bizarre situation. It’s probably a perfect storm of things;

  • An anonymous opposition
  • misinformation in the press and elsewhere
  • Lack of a viable challenge to that misinformation.
  • dis engagement. Bizarre considering we’ve all been hanging on the latest COVID information and restrictions etc.
  • doubling down, cognitive dissonance, Dunning Kruger etc.

We are in a complete mess. Only yesterday the Mail was headlining that empty food shelves were the result of the NHS app pinging 600,000 people. That’s a wonderful line of attack if you want to hit multiple targets at once. Spread information that the NHS is useless, slate the app as over sensitive, and lead people away from the real reason (Brexit).

What? That’s not the real reason, it’s because workers in the supply chain are being pinged but as from today they no longer need to self-isolate. It also only affected a very small number of products, none of which were essential.

As for Brexit anyone notice any increase in prices in their weekly shopping or items that are harder to get hold of now, because I haven’t? If anything I’m finding that many items are cheaper.

So the massive shortage in lorry drivers arising from Brexit has had nothing to do with empty shelves or business unable to get supplies?

Unlikely IMO when you consider this a recent thing while the NHS app has been in circulation since September 2020. No shortages back then despite lockdowns etc.

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You realise that the numbers of people now being pinged is so high its coined the phrase “pingdemic”?

yes I linked an article yesterday saying 600,000 people were asked to self isolate by the app.

shortages were reported before this. I’ll concede that the pandemic has effected things but so has Brexit. The Mail will tell you otherwise. The UK is around 85k short of lorry drivers.

Imports and distribution in the UK is an utter mess at the moment.