UK Politics Thread (Part 1)

Ignoring the contributory factors of a global energy crisis leading to spiraling inflation? Or the fact that the recession under the Heath government was reversed by the resulting government that you so decry? Or that the Wilson and then the Callaghan governments were bound by the IMF into making deep cuts while having to manage on making policy with wafer-thin majorities and coalitions? Or that the spiraling inflation would be a proximate cause of the wage demands that led to the strikes?

I didn’t live during the 1970s, nor am I that well-versed in that. But just 10 minutes of reading already told me enough to know that Labour didn’t cause the crisis. Whether they could have done more is debatable in itself, but the answer is likely to be no.

As far as I can tell, neither have the Tories? Not even the great sage Thatcher…

Arh so a ten minute internet search concludes the whole of the 70’s and the results are in labour had no blame in anything …thank you for that

Excluding the current period, there have been 6 periods of a Conservative government from 1922. In all but one (the Thatcher/Major period of 1979-1997) the unemployment rate was lower when they left than it was when they entered.

Where are you getting your data? Would love to find the source, but can’t find any.

Thank you for your great contribution to the discourse.

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Thanks! Only managed to find ONS data from 1971 onwards…

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What is in place in the UK that props up the people on lowest wages?
Surely if you start a £10/hour these people will need a fairly good hand out from the government, then the tax payers will be proping up businesses (not that that’s a bad idea (see France).

I think it would be achievable in an election cycle or at least be a good distance down the road. I just don’t think it’s a good idea to go through a massive change in the economy while we’re going through a massive change in the economy. You only end up hurting those that you’re trying to help.

Really? The Conservatives raising taxes for big business? I’m honestly astounded.

I should have also added that I’d introduce a Mogg Tax. If he doesn’t like it he can try to get a tan in the Cayman islands.

To be fair though, they do point out that you’re technically wrong since the minority Labour government in 1924 did end up with lower unemployment.

More seriously though, they do caution that the series should not be treated as a single continuous, comparable series. Also, if you look at your graph, the stretches in the 60s and the 70s where Labour was not in power also shows increasing unemployment under the Conservatives.

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I’d agree, but my point was more towards the idea that they should be planning it out, and building a proper vision together rather than arguing over their posturing.

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Exactly my point too. Instead of having a pragmatic discussion and solution they’re all at each others throats trying to point score. Scoring points for no gain whatsoever.

The way this week has gone I suspect Starmers days are numbered to be honest.

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Noo_Noo, just out of curiosity who would you say is best placed to replace starmer if he was not to be the Labour leader at the next election?

They shouldn’t look further than Andy Burnham imo.

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Absolutely no idea to be completely honest. Andy Burnham seems to have some momentum at the moment. Whether that would be enough or even if he would want the job I couldn’t say. Who else is there that would be willing to sort the mess out I don’t know. @Kopstar can type quicker than me.

The daft thing is I doubt those that are against Starmer don’t actually know either.

Helped by being briefer!

Are you even a lawyer???

He knows his briefs…