UK Politics Thread (Part 1)

Incredible result for you lot. With a good push you might make 8th.

Shame my lot seem to be highly trusted but no one takes a blind bit of notice.

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Lawyers: the Everton of professionals.

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The lazy bums need to go out and get a job rather than hang about in the street answering servey questionaires :rofl:

Third :slight_smile:

In other news, Andy Burnham for PM within 10 years. Put money on it.

My point is/was that despite politicians being one of the most distrusted groups in the UK, every 4 years people march lemming like to the polls to re-elect a group of scum sucking pond life, knowing full well that they have absolutely no intention of keeping their manifesto promises.

It’s a bloody charade of Democracy. There could not be a more worthless and demeaning example of cognitive dissonance.

It reminds me of the thought processes of some abused partners - “maybe this time it will be better, maybe this time they will keep their promises. We should try to make it work just one more time”

And then you get the putrid argument of - " Well its the only system we have got, so we have to work with it" Really ? Do we? Could we not even attempt to change it - make it more representative, more equal, more just?

Change this outdated and ridiculous system and there is a small chance that life, for everyone could improve. Leave it as it is and there is no chance. Life will only ever improve for those with money and power under this system of Governance.

Now wheres my blood pressure medication?

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That would entail Labour winning an election no?

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Sid Vicious - I’ve met the man on the street and he’s a c***!

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Yes. For “reasons” I still have a little link into the Labour party. AB was touted as a leader many years ago. I’ve met him several times and whilst it would be a cold day in hell for me to vote red, he is a very engaging, genuine and likeable person. Would do a very good job and the party’s best shot at ever wrestling control from Boz and his mates.

Burnham is a lovely bloke. He is also the mayor of Manchester at the minute though, so quite a few hurdles to get through before he can get control of the party, not least getting back a Westminster seat.

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Nothing complicated though. He’s currently winning friends and votes by having fuck all to do with Westminster. Very clever strategy.

He’d probably win his old seat of leigh back from the tories quite easily, as he’s still well regarded round here

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Johnson was elected MP of Uxbridge and South Ruislip whilst still Mayor of London. He stepped down as Mayor a year later.

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I never said or intended to insinuate that whatsoever… :no_mouth:

I completely agree which is why I say it’s a lazy comment. We vote for change and then just call them liars when nothing changes.

Big question is how. There’s already been a referendum on proportional representation and it failed. Reasons already covered. What’s the next step?

I agree with your points but there needs to be a mass awakening first, rather than lumping for the “not my fault, they’re all liars” excuse.

Apologies, only just saw this. Universal Credit is used to prop up the lowest earners. Minimum wage is £8.91/hr at the moment. Over 40% of people on Universal Credit work. The system is so great that if you earn over a certain amount they reduce your UC payment. Basically you’re screwed no matter what you do. In some cases it’s actually more useful to sit at home and take the full UC credit rather than work.

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The previous benefits system limited you to less than 16 hours work and reduced your benefits £ for £ earned.

UC doesn’t cap your hours and it reduces the benefits at a slower rate ( something around 60- odd p for each pound earned I think?)

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It’s definitely a better and fairer system. The main problems were with the roll out and speed it takes to provide the first payments when claimed.

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Just looked up UC, just from what I read it replaces too many other benefits. Above all housing benefit, it’s very important for low incomes to know what help they are getting to cover rent imo (at least for those who take care of their budget). Not knowing how changes will affect that portion of your budget is criminal. Not being under that system I can’t say how beneficial or not it is however I certainly would listen to higher earners about what they think. At the levels of income we are basically talking about there shouldn’t be any fairness about it it’s about entering people into a standard of living.
Still interesting and I will look it up a bit more to understand it better.
In France there’s a ‘prime d’activity’ (which is really a back to work bonus) which since the yellow jacket protests definitely makes any work over 16hrs/week beneficial except perhaps very short term contracts (funny as to get it you must work 16hrs or more per week, the opposite to the old UK system lol). The increase to this really ended the ‘gilets jaune’ stuff (as they were mainly about standard of living). It definitely made life better for low income groups.

Housing benefit is still available for a small group of people. UC replaces 6 benefits I think and is meant to simplify the benefit system.

They have benefit calculators online which you can use to get an idea as to how much UC you can get.

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