UK Politics Thread (Part 1)

I seem to think it would have been closer to 4 hours? Given the distance between Cheltenham and Chester as the crow flies it was a very long time.

Nah; I looked it up on the National Rail journey planner. :+1:

It’s actually quicker than driving, according to Google Maps.

Less polluting and far less stressful, too, I’d imagine.

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Here we are. It can take just over 2.5 hrs if it doesn’t matter what time you arrive but if I needed to be at Court or a meeting before 10am it’s more than 4 hours

I dont really want to get bogged down on the benefits or otherwise of freeports more the fact that the government is challenged on the stuff they say. Gove’s exact words were

“Freeports are one of the many advantages the nations of the UK can enjoy as a result of our departure from the EU”

That’s wrong, or at best extremely misleading. And it’s just one small example

I think you could easily lose 4 hrs at the M5 / M6 junction if you landed there at a bad moment. Been there done that, all too often. Cross country is possible I guess.

While this highlights our lack of infrastructure it may also be looking at the alternative. Back at my previous work place they actively discouraged driving anywhere. They would prefer you to stay overnight in a hotel rather than drive. It took some real adjustment from people to get used to the idea but it did go in that direction in quite a short time with some very active management of travel. It was frustrating to start with but worked.
Perhaps we need to stop taking certain things for granted and taking these small sacrifices?

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A story that’s going under the radar right now:

The government’s lackey, the BBC, aren’t reporting about it. What a surprise. :roll_eyes:

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No one ever predicted that did they?

You need to read beyond the headline, which is counter to the government’s direction of travel…

Marisa Heath, policy adviser to the Trade and Animal Welfare Coalition, said she was “pleased that Defra wants an enabling power to introduce bans on imports not meeting our standards.”

She added: “We think this is crucial to meeting the government’s commitment on not allowing trade deals to undermine our standards through imports, and we know there is a lot of political support for this. We hope that DIT drops its opposition to the proposal.”

The suggestion, according to multiple people with knowledge of the process, was for import bans to be implemented via secondary legislation instead of primary, meaning the government would be able to change laws without a parliamentary vote.

Defra, run by Farming Secretary George Eustice, wanted to put the clause in the upcoming “animals abroad bill,” which the government is currently consulting on. It was seen as a compromise move after the government rejected a proposal for a blanket ban on all imports of products produced to lower standards than those allowed for domestic producers in the U.K.

Others denied that the proposal had been blocked by Truss. “The British public want us to get on and secure new trade deals and promote animal welfare,” said one trade department insider. “It isn’t mutually exclusive.” Another person across the detail said the idea had fallen by the wayside because it was considered not specific enough.

However, the new Trade Secretary Anne-Marie Trevelyan, who took up the role last month, could be more sympathetic to a compromise proposal on import bans of the kind that was suggested. The trade department declined to comment, as did Defra and an official close to Truss, who now serves as the foreign secretary.

Farming Minister Victoria Prentis told a House of Commons committee on Wednesday that the government might need to be “a bit cleverer and more flexible than just relying on legislation” to maintain high standards.

She suggested commitments in trade deals and international agreements on standards, as well as labeling products according to issues like their animal welfare backgrounds. On the latter point, she said the government had been cool on the idea in the past but “post-pandemic we’re coming to a slightly different view.”

A consultation on labeling for animal welfare is expected to be published in early December.

Law on welfare

Lorraine Platt, co-founder of the Conservative Animal Welfare Coalition, said the group would welcome new legal procedures “which would make it possible for the secretary of state for the environment, food and rural affairs to protect our farm animal welfare standards and protect British farmers from low welfare imports.”

At the moment, there are import bans on chlorine or acid-washed chicken, pork treated with ractopamine, hormone-treated beef and meat, eggs and dairy produced using antibiotic growth promoters. The U.K. is in the process of banning foie gras imports, and a ban on fur imports could be on the cards.

Advocates argue that without bans, items below domestic production standards will enter the market no matter what, and in new trade deals where all items drop to zero tariffs, such as the proposed deal with Australia, the risk increases.

For example, stalls that prevent pigs moving around are meant to be banned in Europe but some places are still using the practice, leading to the assumption their pork will be coming into the U.K.

Meanwhile, the government is looking at banning uncomfortable animal transportation practices in domestic transit, and it will be difficult to monitor whether other nations Britain imports from do similar.

Former Conservative Vice Chair Roger Gale noted there was a “tension within government, because those who just want to strike trade deals, want to strike trade deals, and those of us who are concerned about animal welfare issues take a rather different view.” He noted that Trevelyan was still to show her hand on the issue.

The headline could more accurately read, “Government continues to review how best to further raise animal welfare stipulations for domestic and imported produce”.

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Fixed it for you. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

Did you miss this?

At the moment, there are import bans on chlorine or acid-washed chicken, pork treated with ractopamine, hormone-treated beef and meat, eggs and dairy produced using antibiotic growth promoters.

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No

  1. I dont trust anything this government says

  2. My edit was done in the spirit of not being serious.

That is not what the letter says!

It’s the same line as the UK the accords are not being fulfilled, there really isn’t any difference on a political stance.

All this for fish. :rofl:

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My question to Alex Wickham is ‘what the fuck is the point of a nincompoop studying Politics and International Relations?’
Then pretending to be a journalist?
No wonder the UK is a fucking mess! :rofl:

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Precisely.

If you’re going to try to blow things out of all proportion, at least get your facts straight first.

But that’s not how it works, is it, especially on the right.

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Which bit is not said in the letter because it’s amazing how many French speakers are also saying that it is an accurate translation?

Just look in the replies.

Lots of comments along the lines of, “where does it say that the EU need to ensure leaving the EU is damaging?”…

Errrr…right here,

“il y a davantage de dommages a quitter l’Union Europeen”

Oh, right.

That really doesn’t mean that, there’s a fucking context to it as always. So England is full of French speakers who don’t understand French and particularly French used in diplomacy. DEoesn’t surprise me when the English don’t speak French when they visit France!
It is all in accordance with the accords signed!
For added information he specifically mentions the public european and in that regard he is indicating the Frenchfishermen . You might understand better if you looked at the political angles rather being absorbed in patriotic fervor and legal nonsense that hasn’t even come yet. This is a highly political situation and the nationalistic pomp pomp isn’t going to help!

Fuck me.

The letter literally calls on it being clearly demonstrated to the public that leaving the EU is more damaging than remaining.

This is done in the context of the French threatening to take unilateral (and therefore unlawful) action in breach of the TCA, deliberately as a punitive measure for the UK simply applying the terms of the TCA.

NO IT DOESN’T! :rofl: