UK Politics Thread (Part 1)

like a British Arminius, except allegedly hotter.

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Allegedly.

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Pretty much nails it every time.

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Under the circumstances, I think Watto would be a more unwelcome appearance.

Oy Vey!

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This is going to be all-out war.

Corbyn held a crisis meeting with his old aides (Seumas Milne and Karie Murphy), John McDonnell, Unite leaders and those from Momentum.

Apparently, 5 of the biggest financial backers remain loyal to Corbyn (Unite, the Communication Workers’ Union, the Fire Brigades Union, the Transport Salaried Staffs’ Association and the Bakers, Food and Allied Workers’ Union.) It has been reported they are not happy.

Telegraph reported one source saying
“This was a disastrous miscalculation,” the source said. “It could now escalate. He doesn’t understand the scale of what is about to happen, and it’s going to get very difficult for him. Jeremy has an army behind him and a lot of legal funding.”

Momentum described the suspension as a “massive attack on the Left” and urged supporters to stay and fight

Dave Ward, the general secretary of the Communication Workers’ Union, accused Starmer of personally making a “political decision” to suspend Mr Corbyn, saying: “It’s fundamentally wrong and needs to change.”

An unnamed union source (cough cough Len McCluskey)
“We’ve reached a tipping point now. What the unions do next will be absolutely crucial. I think there are some people in Unite who think it may be time to discuss a new party. If Unite and the CWU decided to move, the Bakers Union, Aslef and TSSA may also move with them.”

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Sigh, whoever is right, I fear Labour may tear itself apart.

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Aided and abetted by the British media, of course.

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More I think about it, the more I believe it has been orchestrated.

Literally all Corbyn needed to say, was I accept the finding of the report and I am deeply sorry for the events the occurred when I was leader. I oppose any form of discrimination and I will support the party to carry out the findings of the report.

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Yeah. I’d guess he knew the affect that digging in would have. He must know the levels of support he has.

Reading a Guardian article this morning I understand that it wasn’t Starmer that took the decision to suspend him. I need to recheck that but Evans was quoted.

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Too stubborn, his worst trait imo. I remember how he dealt and did not deal, with Brexit.
I think the man has a good heart, but I do think he has some ideological blinders at times.
Example: Because A) is very bad (say Israeli occupation and repression, even it’s creation if you want, although the latter is a fact on the ground that cannot be changed now) he tends to be too careless with B) (say Anti Zionists that may take the entire criticism of Israel too far, and now I am thinking about some very radical Arab groups that legitimizes targeting of civilians and proper anti semitism) , when he perhaps should have avoided close proximity to those and gone for C).
He seems a bit politically stupid at times. At least from my pov.

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Corbyn also strikes me as a stubborn ideological mule that is unable to horsetrade well, something that is vital in large diverse parties such as Labour (and in parliament in general). Anyway, that’s my opinion from the outside looking in.

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Given his inability to help heal the wounds within his own party I’m starting to question whether he really did bring peace to the Middle East, bring peace to Ireland, and end apartheid as his supporters claim… :neutral_face:

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Call their bluff…The unions know that a new party would be doomed to failure plus I bet the vast majority of their members wouldn’t even vote for it. Ridiculous.

Remember what happened when Militant were chucked out. That went well didn’t it…

It’ll end up like this

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It’s about time Labour stopped being held hostage by the Unions. Whilst that was the general Labour voters view historically, they really are holding onto an archaic and out of date stance.

Labour has huge support in young people, that has to be their target audience as they are the ones who will inherit the clusterfuck the Torys are wilfully creating.

It honestly beggers belief that when factually proven to have broken the law with regards to anti-semitism Corbyn is using it as another power grab. He can fuck off now, he had some good ideas but this is exactly why he should never have been thrust into position, and again the Unions did this, another wrong choice by them.

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This thing which infuriates me is the scale of the sheer blinkered privilege in this.

Playing politics like this is a pursuit of comfortable, well-off people. Ideological dreamers who are more interested in the purity of the vision than they are the bigger objective of returning some sense of normality to politics.

People are struggling to feed their kids. The climate is a runaway catastrophe. Thousands of people are dying due to this governments collosal failure to tackle the pandemic.

We don’t have time for this.

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This guy is a cancer for political life in England imo. As others have said, his intentions are honest, but he’s a stubborn, ideological mule who lacks any sense of political flair. As such, he has been and still is, without doubt unwillingly, a direct help for the Tories staying in power for so long.

If I was Starmer, I’d have done exactly the same, which is to kick him off at the earliest opportunity. This antisemitism topic is ridiculous imo, but it’s obvious that Starmer took the most convenient tool to rip Corbyn and his supporters off the party, or at least to decisively weaken their influence on the Labour party.

It will be painful in the short term, but I’ve no doubt that once this process will have been done, Labour will be able to regain credibility for a larger amount of people in the country. It’s badly needed, and Starmer is much better equipped than Corbyn to achieve this.

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Funny that you should mention Militant because this situation looks similar to the internecine politics that raged within Labour in 1985.

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Just seen an interview with Starmer.

https://twitter.com/bbc5live/status/1322096264205508609?s=20

See from 50 seconds:

He described how he discussed with Corbyn exactly what was going to be in the statement the day before. Explicitly about his stance on it being used for different factions, or downplaying seriousness of the issues.

No excuse from Corbyn, he deliberately undermined the message.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg9aACBMSEg
Maybe it is time the Labour party brought in plans to fast-track youth and harness the massive catchment support in this category…
Step-Up Dan Carden… the stage is yours…!!!
A principled, well educated lad (St. Edwards in Liverpool), University graduate, Whizz-kid maths genius who won all kinds of national awards… could be raking it in with a high profile job in the city stock exchange… but instead, following his beliefs for a fair social system that his dad (ex-docker) ingrained into his DNA…!
Ok Ok… at 34 he has youth and will gain more and more experience as the years fly by…
Bottom-line… something drastic has to happen in the political arena… BoJo has created nothing but a jobs for the boys culture, lining their private enterprise pockets as they go…!

Extremely well said.

May I just add -

They are politicians - THey do not give a fuck about you - No really - None of them give a single flying fuck about you, me, or anyone else.

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