Happy times!
He seems to be very dedicated to perpetuate all the worst stereotypes about âthe leftâ. Frustrating.
Is it just me or even then does it look like Starmerâs shitting himself about what Jeremyâs about to say this time?
Oh look, thereâs Chakrabarti as well (now Baroness Chakrabarti thanks to Corbynâs appointment), author of the famed âindependentâ report 
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Except the working class didnât actually vote for him that much, hence we have Boris. Doh.
You may well get your wish at this rate, but it will be to the left of where Labourâs been for most of my life time.
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When it came to the final count he didnât stick to his principles though did he?
And Iâm with Rambler, the âworking classâ didnât vote for him
it is sort of striking how much better the unions are at delivering money than they are at delivering votes. It really is remarkably similar to the situation in the 1980âs in the US, when the AFL-CIO was a critical funder of the Democratic Party, yet possibly had a majority of its members vote for Reagan. That did not last long, the AFL-CIO soon did not have any where near the same level of resources.
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Thatâs the rub, innit. As much as we can argue a job was done on him etc. weâre sat here looking at an 80 seat Tory majority.
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I can assure you Iâm not ârightâ, it should have been Burnham who won.
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Nobodyâs criticising Corbyn for having left-wing politics unless youâre telling me that itâs a left-wing policy to shoot yourself in the foot? That would be more left-field than left-wing, no?
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The Independent used to be regarded as a good newspaper, but after it was bought by a Russian oligarch (I think), it has become purely a liberal tabloid paper. It does push agendas very, very hard. I donât regard it as serious anymore. Particularly their headlines on the internet are super dramatic and very often very subjective. It can be used for âregularâ news, but one should be skeptical of it when it comes to geopolitial news (it pushes chosen agendas harder than hard), political news and matters of economy and foreign policy.
That is my opinion. I often agree with liberal povâs, though hardly always, but it is impossible not to note agenda based reporting and extreme click bait headlines online.
I think @Kopstar mentioned good papers. Channel 4 I donât know enough about but have heard good things, their political reporting is apparently quite objective. FT is sadly behind paywalls but it is a good and serious paper that I have read a lot while on College computers (free then, Norwegian college pays for several foreign good newspaper subs). The Guardian is a good paper, also has agendas, but it is still a very good paper with diverse reporting and most povâs will be published there, both ones that will infuriate you and ones you will like, so good. Their news reporting is serious. BBC is good, their domestic political reporting not so much due to them having a horrible tabloid journalist (Laura something I think, she is just incredibly bad), otherwise BBC is very, very good.
So I disagree with Kopstar regarding Independent, or at least their online version, though their paper version may be far superior, I donât know. Been years since I read an Independent broadsheet .
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Did you ever listed to MPQs when he faced Mrs May? It was like an autopsy and she was holing the scalpel. You can have all the good intention and honourable policies in the world but if you come across as Baldrickâs slightly better dressed cousin, youâll never win. It is about image and media savvy these days. Boris was just less bad at it.
Labour could easily have won with a competent leader whoâd have scrapped BREXIT. But then weâd be in the midst of a civil war AND a pandemic. Instead, Corbyn sat on his hands, let the AS problem fester and trusted to luck. Brilliant political brain there.
As for Andy Burnham, his time will come Iâm SURE of it.
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I said he wasnât smart enough to be leader. Thatâs not criticising his left-wing beliefs - or saying that heâs stupid for holding them (itâs interesting that you would seek to make that connection). Heâs just not smart enough to lead a major political party, regardless of his political beliefs.
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He was the leader of the major opposition party while the government made a complete laughing stock out of his country and still managed to get a disastrous election result. That wasnât just down to a lack of TV personality.
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Owen Jones is a huge Corbyn supporter - even he in his latest book said Corbyn wasnt cut out to lead the party.
Tbf, itâs probably been a while since I read much of their stuff so happy to accept that my view may not be reflective of what they produce now.
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No. You canât ignore the fact that people disliked or felt they could not trust Corbyn so much that they were willing to allow Johnson to govern.
Dont think it was trust in the literal sense, rather than a complete disbelief in his ability to govern.
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Many of us, demonstrably, would rather have Boris. Heâs 2% the utter fuckwomble Trump is.
This I actually agree with. Everyone here knows what I think of Johnson. I think he is a sly populist that cynically plays on nationalist heart strings and a serial liar. I also think he is very incompetent. But there can never be a comparison between Donald and Borris. People that compare Johnson to Trump simply do not know what they are talking about. To compare Johnson to Trump is to completely minimise how awful Trump is.
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