Just want to say that I absolutely meant no offense when I said that people that compare Trump and Johnson does not know what they are talking about. I didnt think of you, meant it generally, and just realised that you might take it personal. If so I really want to apologice. But I strongly belive that Trump is in his own division and a division shared only by the most delusional dictators .
He ainât a dictator, heâs a grifter.
The whole point of this is money, pure and simple.
He honestly couldnât give the first shit about whatever the fuck it is today he is spouting.
He just let the dictators in.
No, because a lot of people on the left disliked Corbyn throughout, even amongst those who voted Labour in the last election.
Dunno why, but the above reminded me of thisâŚ
What a fucking line. No wonder Season 2 was so shitâŚit had no chance of living up to this.
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Well yeah, but the way Corbyn treats this issue is how he treated Brexit and other vital issues when he was at the head of Labour: like an idiot. Starmer has no choice but to kick him in the dust-bin if he wants to be taken seriously from now on.
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It was a pretty dire choice, tbf. But I support leaving the EU so voting Labour was not even a consideration for me this time.
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#IStandWithJeremyCorbyn trending on twitter shows the issue.
The victims were unequivocally Jewish members of the labour party. However Corbyn taking his stance means he is portrayed as the victim. Such that the seriousness of report is downplayed (in Corbyns defense) and people are saying he did nothing wrong. It was politically motivated, a smear, or only reflective of 0.X% of labour support.
In short blind loyalty to Corbyn, means that the important findings of the report are not accepted by numerous Labour members. Thatâs truly one of the worst thing Corbyn has done.
Those saying Corbyn is not anti-Semitic (MPs) are missing the point. He actions then and today create issues for anti-Semitism within the party. Primarily because he feels deep down its a Machiavellian plot against him and the left.
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There will likely be a schism within Labour now, until they realise they are not electable because of it, and then rally like they do to suggest it all amounted to nothing but please vote for us.
If itâs taken till now for the management of the party to realise theyâre un-electable, I think the answerâs quite simple.
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What is undoubtedly true is that the antisemitism issue was used cynically, inside and outside the party, as a means to directly attack the leadership of the party and try and shake him out of the position. Just because your paranoidâŚ
The report does say that the party under Corbynâs leadership and Formbyâs had improved and sped up its processes for dealing with antisemitism. It also found no evidence of institutional racism. There was plenty in there, amidst the points for improvement and the negatives, you could put a positive spin on. If he wanted to defend himself, I donât know why he chose to make a point about exaggeration in the climate weâre in. Save it for the memoirs Jez.
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They wonât. Rally together despite hating each other in order to win power is something the Tories are very good at. Labour, not so much.
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Absolutely it was used by detractors, donât disagree in that at all.
My take is it becomes a bit chicken and egg. The validity of claims became increasingly viewed with skepticism, which inturn lead to more issues. The louder someone shouted the more their motives were doubted. The more Corbyn/MPs/Len McLusky said the problem was an exaggeration, the more the victims got angry.
Tribalism and distrust lead to a massive blind spot.
But the bottom line is there was an issue. Irrespective of it being weponised, the party and leadership in particular failed. The best way he could have dealt with the criticism was to deal with the issue. It showed in his statement, he still saw the issue through the prism of a party civil war.
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This reads like a Conservative party email 
To me thatâs a major blight on Corbynâs leadership.
When you get stuff like this happening you need to jump on it immediately and nip it in the bud. Like Brexit he seems to stick things like this in the âtoo difficultâ box and try to ignore them. Thatâs not a good sign for any leader.
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So to be a good leader you have to be a hypocrite!
Perhaps to be a leader it is necessary to be a hypocrite? (Or like Boris just laugh it off?).
I can not see how this can be nipped in the bud within the labour party. I would guess 1/3 of itâs membership are âPro-Palestinianâ however you can not form a party on âPro-Palestinianismâ.
Only @Mascot seems to be posting sense on this.
Btw i donât think this report is damning for the Labour party I think they were damned well before. You donât nip damnation in the bud itâs just a case of getting on with business as usual. Thatâs what Isreal do.
I thought he was posting sense as well, but now youâve said this Iâm not so sure.
Nobodyâs saying Corbyn should have abandoned his principles unless stubbornly refusing to do the little he needed to help heal divisions is one of them.
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⌠and Iâm not saying Corbyn was a good leader. It also appears he is a âbadâ loser. His aftermarth statement seems soo Churchillian or Thatchrite.
No. When youâve got members of your staff being bullied by other staff members with more than a hint of racism involved you deal with it. You donât deny that itâs not a problem or turn your back on it. That is worse thinking about it.
That has nothing tp do with his principles. That is being a good leader and doing the right thing.
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