UK Politics Thread (Part 1)

Well, I mean, nobody could have seen that coming.

Fuckwits.

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The press is also playing it’s part in the failure.

The articles in the telegraph recently have been shockingly bad.

Last 24 hours. Tweets/articles include

  • Was Covid-19 man made ?
  • Lockdowns will cause epidemic of depression and anxiety
  • Covid 19 don’t believe the scare stories, there is no scientific basis for lockdowns
  • I’m almost starting to think this whole pandemic really is a conspiracy
  • The West should not bow before the Chinese regime that made the world ill
  • People who would normally die of flu instead dying of Covid-19
  • Government scientists have blown apart their own case for lockdown
  • Conspiracy or not, this Covid strategy is deeply sinister

I repeat this was tweets from telegraph in the last 24 hours !!

I remember when the Telegraph was a respectable paper (even if it was a paper for right wing). Today it seems it has no editorial standards.

Government absolutely to blame for poor messaging and public response, but a lot of blame also lies at door of UK press…which are no better than Katie Hopkins.

They should be wrapped over the knuckles for allowing propaganda and fear

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From a set of msgs with a good friend in Canadian federal public health:

The Brit lockdown looks too complex to me
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Demi-lockdown that tries not to hurt business. They refuse to absorb the early-hard-short idea. So they will fuck around for 3 weeks, escalate, and it will be 2 months instead of 2 weeks. Will be about 8x the economic damage, but half the blame.

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How many people in the UK would you guess are full card carrying Anti- Semites? My guess is less than 1% probably a lot less than 1%. Most people would struggle to give a definition of Anti-Semitism. The impact on their lives = zero.

This is what the navel gazing Labour Party have to occupy their time right now? This is what supporters of Jeremy and his opponents have to tweet about today?

Jesus H Corbyn, would someone, anyone, of real vision and integrity please stand up?

I am just curious. If the government in UK comes in really hard with measures and then imposed very hard punitive measures like if you ignore any of the measures, you will go to prison for a certain amount of time, would that be accepted? Ignoring the fact that some of the politicians themselves are breaking measures, would that be widely accepted by people in the first place? Curious what would be the widely accepted measures.

What are you talking about, Corona or anti-semitism/racism???

For Racism, I would think most people would agree on harsher punitive measures? I was actually asking for the Corona, because right now I think in the UK, only a small amount (depending where you are) of financial penalty is imposed for breaking those measures? So I am asking, if for some reason, the government comes down hard, would it be acceptable?

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I dont think it matters on numbers, but the fact that it was unlawful, and people who had their experiences dismissed have now been somewhat vindicated as their claims have been found to have merit.

Corbyn probably feels he needs to challenge it because the report identifies him personally as being a reason for these problems. Plus doing so presents problems for the new leadership.

Thankfully for Labour, Boris has taken the spotlight off this issue with his new Lockdown call.

Upon taking over the leadership, Starmer initiated another independent review over the leaked document a few months ago. That is due out sometime soon. So there probably hasn’t been much scope for taking action until these two reports have been published. He has already committed to setting up an independent complaints process as the current one hasn’t done what it is supposed to have done (and I think has been problematic for the party since before Corbyn took over).

The EHRC report highlights the labour party’s failure to implement recommendations from the earlier reports in 2016, so Starmer will probably need to ensure these are done so as quickly as possible along with the most recent recommendations.

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That is damning for Corbyn I think. Not implementing those recommendations.

Am I right in stating that the actions of the EHRC report have to be implemented by a certain date in December?

This is an interesting twist. I suspect there will be more to this one over the next few months / years.

It’s not a climb down :rofl: Government has always denied it would diminish food standards.

yes and yet they opened the door for it to happen. Did you honestly believe that they said they wouldn’t?

That door has been closed again, for now. I wonder what will happen when the the US trade deal starts to gain some traction?

I think the government probably would prefer to have wriggle room but I think this decision helps us. If the government genuinely didn’t want to exclude the possibility of chlorinated chicken, etc, its got a big enough majority and plenty of time left in its term in office not to have done this.

I can see the sense in having a blank canvas but what a sad state to be in. Open the door to zero standards to make us look as attractive as possible.

At least now they’ve got something to argue against but as you say they certainly have the numbers to force a change if they deem it necessary.

I find the depths that this man will sink to quite disgusting and honestly frightening.

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Wouldn’t worry about it. I doubt this Reform UK party will be around long. There was some analysis out last night/this morning on those for/against a lockdown. It appears that the largest group against the lockdown is 18-24s. Other age groups are 70%+ in support of the lockdown. Even amongst Leave groups i think it is a 70/30 split. UKIP and Brexit Party was largely supported by older voters, so there is little actual carry through.

I think they should have to rebrand as the ‘I know thousands of people are going to die, but I want to go to the pub’ Party.

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18-24s are also the demographic where the infection rates are more virulent.

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