UK Politics Thread (Part 1)

Only if you didn’t swear as well :wink:

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Personally, I never shout, swear or lose my temper in front of an employee. For me, if you do, you are not in control of the situation, you lose respect, and it is counterproductive. For those that do, I perceive it as a weakness and generally a failure in their management style.

Whilst different line of works have different limits (say Sergeant in military shouting, is not comparable to a Greggs manager) it is far too easy to step over the line in the heat of the moment, to even justify the dressing down approach in most work places. You expose yourself to risk, the company you work for at risk, and the end result is pretty limiting.

Best way in my experience is cool, calm, and factual. The overt truth, with absolutely no sugar coating, is far more effective than being shouted or sworn at.

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Yes, it’s better not to shout and it doesn’t speak well for someone’s leadership abilities when that is their default style of managment. Apparently this is rumoured to be the case for Patel.

However, losing temper in a high pressure situation happens even to some generally decent bosses in my experience. Not every human is a perfect saint at all times.

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The shouting and swearing Patel is accused of, could just be her ‘stressed to f***’ way of levelling the playing field with some of her staff…
They say you need three good traits to be a good leader (note, NOT manager) of people…

  1. Authority of Knowledge… (which I doubt… Is she as qualified in her role as some of her staff).
  2. Authority of Position… (BoJo has ensured that to be, for the good foreseeable future at least).
  3. Authority of Personality… (If in-your face confrontations are to be believed… then certainly not).

So it is hard to believe that Patel is the best person in the country with the correct political leanings to hold down her job/position…
So yeah… shouting and swearing may have been her only weapon of worth to her, to date…!!

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Oh no, I was remarkable restrained. I like the challenge of character assassination without scraping the barrel of vulgarity.

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Quite correctly in my opinion.
Absolutely no need to be a cunt about it.

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No. It can’t be levelling as she is the Home Secretary and therefore highest ranked individual in the Department.

The officials reporting to her have two functions. To give her updates and advice, and to carry out her requests (as long as it is within the law).

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What’s Gordon Ramsay up to these days?

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That’s completely different.

That’s “entertainment”.

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I’m telling you that there is never a time to do that. It achieves nothing except a member of staff that’s pissed off and will probably leave or at the very least effective than they might well be.

I’m also saying that if you have a member of staff that’s made a mistake in many cases you can trace the source of that error up the line.

That is an archaic way of dealing with stuff.

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Levelling the playing field on an intellectual level… not in any staffing ‘family tree’ type matrix.
If someone needs to get a point across but lack the particular vocabulary or prose to do so… certainly in dealing with staff/ people of a higher IQ or specific academia of a particular field… angry confrontation can sometimes become the best form of defence in hiding these failings… Done over a period of time it then becomes habit… and becomes ingrained within a personality…
Maybe confrontation has been her style for years… It is only now her actions have been exposed.

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Yeah, I’m sure he’s a calm collected polite boss when the cameras are off, as are most chefs. :wink:

Kind of interesting though how many people have made a career in entertainment portraying an abusive boss type of figure. Might even get you the presidency.

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I had to work for someone like this for a while, and the whole firm dreaded Monday mornings, not for the obvious, but said Boss would always tear someone a strip on a Monday (and at all other times but always a Mon). Entirely to do with her self and not being able to cope. She was managing solicitor and owner of a high profile law firm and was as thick as mud. Before she had reached the top, colleagues joked that she once sold the wrong plot of land; she was entirely unintelligent in a role that requires intelligence. The fear of her served as a great buttress for challenging her ‘wisdom’.

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Good, I model myself on Viz’s Victorian Dad.

Hypothetical situation, a member of staff at a high level shop in Knightsbridge tells the daughter of a wealthy oil sheik to do something very unpleasant insulting her deeply on a cultural and religious basis. You deal with that with a friendly chat? Given that it will cause an international incident and huge multi-million losses for the business?

You can train all you want but fortunately, humans have free will and can and do comport themselves in a manner they see fit.

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Still telling people to fuck off. If you work for him and he likes you and you’re good at your job, he’s nice as pie. Mate of mine works for him.

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I also doubt that is the case. For one, i think Patel is different to many of her colleagues in the current cabinet as she appears quite intelligent.

Secondly, each Minister has their own preferences and foibles. Senior Officials work quite hard to ensure that information is presented to the Minister in their preferred format and in a way that they will find it easier to understand (quite often they have to digest a lot of information in a short space of time, and remember it).

finally, she has special advisors working with her who help bridge the gap between ministers, officials and the political position.

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Well, yes. If they have no good reason for behaving that way, they will still be fired for gross misconduct. You venting at them may make you feel better but it doesn’t change the situation.

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yes you do. But you do but in that instance you make the oil sheik aware of the actions you’ve taken.

All of a sudden you’ve demonstrated that they are a priority, you care about them and your action is decisive and clinical. Screaming achieves nothing.

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I’d probably enjoy yelling at an oil sheik though tbh

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