Is it certain that the standards committee investigation would restart if he were re-elected?
I seeing different things on this.
I agree with a lot of this in principle.
I have no problem with people seeing some of my views as RW but I also have a lot of LW views, unfortunately, people only seem to remember/acknowledge the ones they don’t agree with.
Whilst, I am comfortable or for a better word accept it, I will be honest that irrespective of the point of debate, I receive far too high a percentage of unjust, non engaging and at times targeted posts. This is wrong!
Sadly, there are a lot of people who don’t sit comfortable with being judged or feel guilty for having a different perspective on a few issues. So instead of being able to discuss these issues they stay quiet and in my opinion feel pushed to Reform.
This is my opinion based on my experiences and observations. Not factually supported.
However, like your reply (quoted a bit further down) where you said you don’t consider the majority of his supporters as being RW, you then contradict yourself by generalising them.
So yes the political divides have definitely become more defined, labelled and sadly less respectful. It again is also judged. There has to be more than just two colours on the political spectrum.
You list a number of areas in reference to political attitudes. Do you accept that although more defined both sides are both guilty of this?
I think that’s a fair assessment and without defending Reform, and without debating every single point 
I think the same could be argued about Labour getting elected. We pretty much voted for the promise of Change - I accept there were other promises.
This is a rhetorical question and not aimed at anyone, so again I am not going to respond. But how many people really understood Labours economical agenda when Voting for them?
Could it be possible that people just wanted something different? Does their Economic agenda stack up against what they have delivered? And even if they have delivered on their Economic agenda, whether understood or not. Why have Labour slumped in the Polls to the point the Party has become disillusioned with their Leader.
This is not an attack, I am merely trying to understand why people are happy to call out and speak negatively about opposition voters when they are equally as guilty in some aspects.
To conclude, I think that Burnham shows some promise and speaks with some assurance. He also, seems a lot more relatable.
However, the only way a Government will have a fighting chance of being successful in today’s society is by being strong, having a plan and sticking to it even if it upsets people. It also needs society to be a lot more tolerant of other people’s views!
I was born 82 so too young to understand/suffer from her Term. It’s not really a question I can ask my parents, who probably did suffer from her Government as my parents have always just done what they have to do.
I do remember nearly everyone driving Rovers, but also its decline along a long with other manufacturers as a result of her policies. Sold to BMW and practically asset stripped. I say this with Humour but the MG range was probably the begining of Chinas reverse engineering.
Birmingham/Midland areas was seen as a threat, due to its manufacturing, its location by being quite central and the transport network. Thatcher economically managed the City out, rather than use its potential.
I suppose you could argue that it was orchestrated and with a plan, and a comment made with Tongue in cheek you could say the City’s Labour Council achieved similar results without intention and without a plan.
However, in hindsight maybe it was inevitable the sector was going to decline. High energy costs, material and labour costs etc, and as society changed its focus to cheap everyday items.
Without getting into a back and forth, you could argue that the Thatcher/Blair Governments are the result of the UK becoming a predominantly Service based Country.
Some good Data and a funny post.
It may be because I have to justify my position more but either way it’s good bants. At least @noo_noo was my closest challenger.
Can we get a historic thread table? Maybe we could have some kind of League on certain phrases, I am guessing you would top the Royalist league and maybe billionaire. You would definitely top the Lynchy and Gammon table .
If only there was a parameter to measure the increase in one’s own personal life satisfaction from the posting of a single post directed at Me.
I guess more importantly, you can now put another tick under your name on the ‘Gotcha Moment’ wall chart that you have blue tacked to your Bedroom wall. Personally, I’m happy for you 
Whilst a lot of this was set in motion by her Policies. Britain retained a 15% veto regarding ownership in them to stop them being fully privatised. Which was then removed by your mates at the European Commision under the 2003 ECJ ruling. BAA and our energy infrastructure was then vulnerable to hostile take overs.
BAA was brought on a leveraged debt, passed onto the consumer and asset stripped. Infact here is Tony Blair’s view at the time.
You cannot deny it was set in motion by Thatcher, but our rights were stripped by the EU and Blair seemed quite happy with it.
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It’s simply standard practice when someone throws their dummy out of the pram. David Davis did this sometime around 2008 (although for a legitimate cause, it was civil rights related). All the main political parties refused to stand except for the Greens. Other than them, it was all cranks.
If it was just Farage with a collection of novelty acts headed by Binface, it will make him look ridiculous.
Incidentally, has anyone suggested that Farage should refund the taxpayer for this stunt?
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I saw it suggested in the Grauniad, but also that it may be against electoral rules??
£275k it will cost…
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The bigger danger for him, and one that looks increasingly likely, is that the other parties refuse to take part and sit this one out. Denied electoral jeopardy, the contest will garner far less attention and could end up being a battle between himself and Count Binface (it’s surely too absurd to imagine an anti-Farage vote coalescing around the comedy candidate).
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The second calculation is that — as shown in Tuesday’s public statement announcing the move — Farage can present any by-election as another fight between the people and the establishment, borrowing the self-pitying tones of the Trump playbook to depict himself as victim of a stitch-up. Ordinarily Farage could probably carry this off but the impact is lessened when the only other candidate is wearing a dustbin on his head.
Thoughts?
(from the FT)
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Clacton is a deeply right wing town. Labour and the other left wing parties can’t poll enough combined to overturn his majority. Instructing their voters to get behind the local Tory is the only way to unseat Farage - and that would bring its own accusations of establishment stitch up. Farage would be absolutely all over that.
The best course of action is for the other parties to refuse to participate in this vanity election, hype the cost to the taxpayer that Farage is responsible for (at least 250k), and totally undercut his attempt to delegitimise the investigation into his finances.
The objective should be to get him back in the commons as soon as possible, and get the parliamentary enquiry concluded. I suspect that it’s going to be absolutely scathing considering the extremes Farage is willing to go to in order to try and give himself a higher mandate.
The Greens need to get with the programme. Any kind of contested election is going to be championed by Farage as a decisive statement on him from ‘The People’. It’s going to be hugely damaging to him if the only legitimacy he has is through defeating Count Binface.
politics is devoid from reality. these people are self servicing idiots. Be it Rayner, Starmer, Farage, Boris… It’s time to try to change it. I have no answer PR?
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In the midst of this Farage Vanity Election fiasco, your reaction is to also have a pop at Raynor, Starmer and Johnson (who was a self serving prick, but nowhere close to Farage levels)?
Check out the comments from Reform Spokespeople. They are absolutely unhinged.
Angela Raynor made a mistake on her stamp duty, which she paid back, and HMRC concluded it was an honest error rather than anything nefarious. She was hounded out of her job, and she is still name dropped as a poster girl for corruption in politics, which seems remarkably unfair given some of the shit that goes on.
But on PR….there was once a time I was solidly in favour of PR, but now I’m not so sure. I don’t think there is the maturity in our politics or national discourse to cope with a system that naturally produces coalition and expects cooperation.
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Perhaps it is time for Binface to enter Parliament
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He can take over ours as well. I’m ready to go all in on Binface at this point.
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Do we know the real identity of Count Binface ?
Wasn’t it Klopptimist’s side project?
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“It is a farce and a desperate distraction, and the people of Clacton deserve better,” Reeves said. “But if he wants to spend the summer arguing with a bin, I won’t stop him.”
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Comment in the FT described the election as Binface vs Bungface 
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