US Election 2024

It’s always good to see what the dark side is up to.

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The numbers are very encouraging for Harris. There is of course lots of work to do, but she has made a great start and hit the ground running.

All the swing states are important, but if the VP is to help, I would get after Pennsylvania, with its 19 electoral college votes, and add Shapiro to the ticket.

He seems to be fairly moderate, and arguably could be good to help defend against the Republican attack that the Dems are extreme liberals.

Mind you, as we’ve seen over the years, Trump will say what he likes, regardless of whether it is true or not.

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The good thing about Nobby is, he may be wrong, but at least he discusses like a reasonable person (mostly). He doesn’t just put a laughing emoji on everything he doesn’t agree with, and he is actually a Liverpool fan and discusses the team.
Personally, I think he’s unappreciative of the severe danger the US faces, but at least he puts his case in a respectful way.

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It won’t be long until Kamala Harris will have picked her VP nominee. There are some good options for her to consider, but I think I’m now on the Tim Walz bus, and this article has swayed me.

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Would there be a pushback from voters for choosing a Social Democrat? The Republicans have taken every opportunity to paint Harris as extreme Left and I wonder if that gives them further ammunition?

I mean he sounds wonderful to me but I don’t believe what I would like is what a typical American would like…

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’ They can have Walz, who calls his Republican opponents “weird” and extreme, or Kelly, who calls his Republican opponents “good people” who are “working really hard”.

I would have thought that if you are trying to win over white working class voters in the Rust Belt states then the second approach might be more helpful.

I confess to knowing next to nothing about any of them , but simply by virtue of the state being the most important in the blue wall , I’d go for the guy from Pennsylvania.

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Is this true? Sounds frightening

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id be careful about buying into her version…need to see longer clips of the Don for context…

i mean, i know hes not the sharpest tool in the shed, but if youve got a plan and the wherewithal to rig the election, the last thing your gonna do is admit to it in such an emphatic way…

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Maybe he’s a Bond villain?

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Trump would. I strongly suspect he is not a very good poker player

Republicans will paint any Democrat as radical left-wing/socialist. Might as well pick someone who delivered popular stuff for the people in his state and can speak like a normal person. :man_shrugging:

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As if he was ever able to control himself. Putting his foot in his mouth is second nature to Trump.

Except that guy from Pennsylvania (I assume this is Shapiro) has some questionable opinions on anti-war protestors, including comparing some of them to kkk ralliers. Fuck, the guy was probably in Congress cheering on the war criminal. Not even close to a fan of someone who stands in that corner.

I think that is why he won’t get the nod. His ability to deliver PA(19) is not ironclad, but he will weaken Democratic appeal badly in other places that are nearly as important like Michigan (15 votes). There are other candidates who don’t have such a dramatic tradeoff.

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I’m chilled whoever Harris picks, there are some good candidates.

I lean towards Tim Walz, for his everyday personality, ability to speak forthrightly and normally, in a way that connects with the masses, and his track record.

Whoever Harris picks will be tarred and feathered by the Republicans in a smear campaign, but I just think this fella has the wherewithal to cut through that crap and connect with people.

My initial thought was Shapiro, to hopefully help swing Pennsylvania blue. I could get on board with that too.

Kelly would be my least favorite, but fair play, the fella was an astronaut :joy:

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In political messaging the key is the “yes, and…” It is not just saying they are bad, or we are good, it is the way to connect the two things in a way makes the contrast clear. To that point Walz doesnt just say they are weird. He says “they are spending their time trying to ban books. That’s just weird because we think government should be about making sure your tax money means you have roads that arent filled with pot holes and bridges that are unsafe to use.” His is VERY much a rust belt message

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This is very concerning. January 6th was child’s play, and there’s a sense that he has gone to school to beef up the structures he will need to rob an election, and assuming it goes all the way up to the Supreme Court, he has them in his pocket too.

Very concerning.

Harris is gaining momentum and, to my mind, looks to have the beating of him, perhaps even by a fair margin.

But it looks like Trump is working to render all that irrelevant.

His phone call to the Georgia fella, find me the votes, in the last election - that should have seen him disqualified from ever running for office again - will be small potatoes.

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Minnesota isn’t exactly the Rust Belt, but it isn’t far off and despite the more progressive tradition of the state, the people aren’t that different. Walz is a guy who knows how to talk to small-town Midwesterners, not some coastal liberal who thinks of them all as ‘flyover states’.

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I feel like I’m living in crazy town. This is exactly what many of us here have been explaining on this thread for months (years?).

Trump’s super power is the understanding, whether conscious or not, that for something in politics to damaging it has to be hidden and subsequently uncovered. People are so trained to think that politicians will go to extreme lengths to hide potentially damaging information that when Trump says the thing out loud people just refuse to believe he can mean the thing he very clearly said .

We knew the soft coup was happening before Jan 6th and very serious people said it was partisan hyperbole about anyone airing the warnings. It didn’t work because there were just enough honorable (enough) people in positions to prevent it happening. From that day forward there has been a sustained effort to find the people necessary to enact the second edition of it and get them into positions of authority all over the country.

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The American collective reaction to what can only be interpreted as the single most serious challenge to democratic order since at least the Whiskey Rebellion is just bizarre. January 6 was orders of magnitude more serious than John Brown’s raid on Harper’s Ferry. Even the Civil War erupted when the Southern states attempted to follow what they considered to be a constitutionally acceptable process of secession, not a direct challenge to democratic legitimacy. There have been no significant consequences for a direct attempt to prevent Congress from certifying an election, it is absolutely staggering.

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