Coz who listens to Wisconsin Public Radio, right?
Right?!?!?!
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According to them, 330k listeners in Wisconsin every week (https://www.wpr.org/about).
No information about breakdown into various programmes, but that is under 6% of their population, before you even slice and dice into who might have tuned into thatâŚ
Which is true but some of us have travelled widely across the States and actually talked to a wide range of people on the subject.
Oh yes, because anecdotes > real data.
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Yeah. Odd I called the first Trump win after asking hundreds of people who theyâd vote for.You know that anecdotes and stereotypes-types are (thanks Groucho) correct 97.8% of the time? Or should we just trust published studies and polling done by the government? Canât see an issue with that.
And before somebody saysâCan somebody tell him thatâs all fictionâ my Aunt was an MP of standing and said it was worryingly accurate. But then of course thatâs just an anecdoteâŚâŚ
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For anyone else who doesnât want to touch that Xesspit.
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Iâd tend to agree with that, although seeing it from the other side, Iâd say that the Sir Humphrey character is the one that actually knows what is going on. I think a lot of the politicians who took a liking to the series thought that it was a demonstration of senior civil servants being obstructive, whereas it is more a case of them trying to deal with ministers who have very little understanding of their brief.
If you do get an effective minister then the civil service are all over it, mainly because they arenât having to explain everything from the ground up. The Thick of It is a good comparison, because that is centred around SPADs who are generally the real halfwits.
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They are probably a somewhat undercooked Jekyll and Hyde sides of the same person.
Dutch & Stevie, Howâs that? 
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Iâd imagine the majority of WPRâs audience are already her voters.
If we are talking anecdotes then I still have not seen the amount of ânoisyâ support for Trump that was clear in 2016 and 2020. Bumper strickers, signs, flags etc⌠they were everywhere last election cycle and while they do still exist itâs nowhere near as vociferous.
I donât think this necessarily translates to less votes but I see a distinct lack of enthusiasm compared with the previous elections, maybe even embarrassment from some of those who intend to vote for him.
And honestly most of the people who are vocal about their support for him are fucking nuts. I do a bit of DoorDash delivery sometimes and made one drop off at a house out in the middle of nowhere - the guy came out pretty clearly high as a kite, armed and ranting about the Illuminati. When he asked me âDo you like Trump?â I dodged the question by saying I donât follow politics and got out of there as fast as I could. Thatâs his base - fucking lunatics.
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And you are just as wrong today as you were then.
Your claim was your canvassing effort demonstrated to you he was more popular therefore he would win. But he was not the more popular candidate. He won despite being less popular, falsifying your foundational premise
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Originally from the Wirral, grew up there, lived in the UK until I was 38. Mrs ROTW was born here in America, she went to Uni in England, we met and married and had two kids there, and moved here when they were little. All of us are dual citizens.
Iâm very familiar with America having lived here for 15 years now, voting, paying my taxes and all the rest of it. My instincts are still British, and I think this place - in numerous ways, not just politically - is crazy. I also think it is an amazing country and I love traveling here and seeing so many different things.
Trump is a boil that must be lanced. I lean left politically, though in the UK Iâd be quite central, but here Iâm very much on the left.
I can appreciate some of the core tenets of conservatism (I donât mean Thatcher) and the case it would make in how a country should be run. I wouldnât vote that way, but it is reasonable and deserves a hearing.
America has gone way past that point, and does not have a conservative GOP in any meaningful sense any more. The GOP has been replaced, for the most part, with a nasty, and quite racist cult that isnât fully there, but veers along a spectrum towards fascism.
The legal scene is a joke, and rich white people usually get the justice they pay for, while the prisons are full of poor people of different racial backgrounds. Going all the way up to the Supreme Court, it is stacked with ideologues, significantly tilting toward, and enabling, Trump.
The voting system is archaic, and hails from a time when honor in society was commonplace, and people did their duty. Those days are long gone, so it is being exploited as it is not fit for purpose.
I could go on and on! The crazy irony of living here is I live in a nice neighborhood in a very safe town, low crime, low taxes, lowish cost of living, great schools, plenty of jobs, lots of international people since there are a few big global employers too⌠If one could just keep oneâs head down and see only that aspect, itâs a great place, at least where I live.
But⌠for all the reasons throughout this thread, America is sick, and that is consequential not just for here, but also for the world.
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My god, did you notice that he, you know, won?
I was right and although you HATE it, Iâm still, and always will be right. You can argue all you want, you can stamp your feet, you can call the methodology incorrect, you can remind me that you said (based on the polls) that Hilary would win.
She didnât, I did. You must hate it and good to know I still live rent free in your head 
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Yup, ALL of them! Gotta love it!
Not engaging with the actual point being made so you can do a touchdown dance over âwinningâ a version of an argument that only exists in your head? Yeah, that is why I remember that conversation so well. It is not about you âliving in my headâ it is about a point of identifying you as someone not to take seriously and moderate how I engage with you.
Leaving the US at the time you did and no longer trusting the story that was being told about the race due to the unexpected level of Trump support you experienced is a totally valid way to understand the world. Despite your mischaracterization of me, this is what I was telling anyone who would listen at the time as well (so no, I did not look at the polls and say Hilliary would win as a prediction). Concluding that your experience meant he was the more popular of the two candidates, and continuing to insist that was true even when the data shows otherwise, and redirecting to a different argument whenever you are corrected on that is utterly moronic.
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I forget who I heard I from (maybe Plouffe), but the campaign believe that today, with the changes in SM since 2016, most of the winnable vote still up for grabs gets almost everything they know about news through private channels like groups chats and DMs, as weird as that seems to many people. But for someone to put a âlook what Harris said about taxesâ into a group chat you have to first put it out into the world so it is sharable. So the purpose of these sorts of events is no longer to directly connect with winnable voters, but to motivate people already in your camp enough to get them to share supporting information about her while giving them clippable stuff to share.
It is what makes the âstop worrying about the NYT coverage because its only liberals who are going to vote for her who read it anywayâ idea so off base. The concern isnt people who read the times, but the effect on the conversation people are having who have become aware of the vibe of a story without any one of them having read the details.
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You are not the right person to prove that assumption false.
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Yeah, and I was right. You waffle too much but I think thatâs a trait of living in the home of IHOP.
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Everyone please post your skin colour along with your posts, so that posts with 0% racism wont be interpreted as racist.
So I guess I will repeatâŚ
Anyone who wants to claim Trump is a better choice for reason x-z, well I guess that is just part of democracy. But anyone who does that has to own the overt racism and appeals to Naziism that this campaign is being run on. And anyone who wont acknowledge that of their choice can get fucked and is as unserious and dishonest as they are indecent.
When that exists, the division does not come from condemning these people. It comes from the division being a major plank of one of the campaigns
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