Alexander Isak (CF) Newcastle

Standard complaint against any organisation owning multiple franchises though - we’ve seen it amongst our own fanbase and that of the Red Sox about FSG.

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I think it was the official newcastle fan forum, but there is quite a lot talking /thinking along the lines as to what Negan says…think it was @Redbj who first mentioned it , that maybe they were looking at their own teams in saudi and developing their league over what many newcastle fans thought was going to be a man city model on steroids…and some actually complaining about stavely not being there anymore :rofl:.

Think there may be some merit in that line in regards to looking after their own teams/league over newcastle.

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Is the PIF business model strictly a sports-washing thing or are they looking to invest to turn a future profit? It could be that they saw Newcastle as being a potentially valuable asset that had been chronically underfunded by Ashley, and that they could turn that around and sell at a profit.

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The value put against Isaac is a touch one-sided, because it is Sandcastle themselves that have plucked the figure from nowhere.
In the 6months between this transfer window and the one next January… Isaac value on their books will have depreciated…! The offer we seem to have made, may well be based on what we think he is worth now, combined with what we think his value in January will equate to.
Walk away and go back in the next window is what I say.
I think one thing could be banked though… If Mike Ashley had still been at Newcastle when our bid for Isaac came in… the lad would already be wearing a red shirt…
The Sandcastle contingency plan for forward planning in the event they would struggle to recruit, has been laid bare for the world to see… and Howe-y, needs to shoulder some of the blame here

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Why should Howe take the blame, he evidently already speaks as he has gone. The higher ups aren’t willing to accept that it seems.

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I think they all have, but their inability to sign any sort of replacement is holding up the process now. Which is also linked to how highly they value him compared to us. He’s only worth £100m to us, but £150m to them in terms of replacement or the ongoing value to the club should he stay.

If they can’t find a suitable replacement then keeping him, even if it’s until the next window, may be worth the loss in value if he makes a difference in their league position and CL progress.

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Alexander Isak arrives at Newcastles training ground.

Once again he has been asked to train after the rest of the players as punishment for wanting to challenge for league titles and win major trophies !:man_facepalming:|16x16🤷‍♂️

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Yeah regards Isaak… no blame - As for not pre-planning around stuff like this happening, in a sort of - ’ What-If ’ scenario good leaders mull over all the time… Even if the North East environment is/has become a factor… Howe-y should be able to get some players over the line by his project plans alone… that is not happening though… so I feel he needs to look inwards on this

We bid two weeks ago (I think). Why havent we bid again?

PIF told us to bugger off in explicit terms.

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There is no point bidding until they are willing to move.

Our baseline offer is £110m. Newcastle keep saying they want £150m. The compromise there is around £130m.

If we go in again, maybe at £120m, the negotiation is only going one way. That’s how Man United do it.

We’ll go up again when Newcastle soften.

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We don’t know the insides of what they are doing? Howe might not even be involved.

I have more time for him than a lot on this board do, evidently it’s not set up in anyway decently at the moment, ultimately he will probably take the fall but their issues will remain.

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He is a decent manager, but there is a lot of the work that would normally be done by a DoF falling on his shoulders, and it’s unknown whether he welcomes this or not.

It’s also presumably him who has got his nephew in the help with recruitment, and that doesn’t seem to be going very well

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Are we even sure it is though. If he was I think Isak might have gone now. He is after all the coach.

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They invited us to negotiate in person at the Saudi embassy

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Probably because the barbeque is all about team building for the coming season. Isak has shown himself to be toxic and Howe likely don’t want him to contaminate/demoralise what is supposed to be a social event to bring people together with some good memories.

I understand it well. Wouldn’t want him invited either. He has a contract to 2028, after all. And there is just too much noise. If we should buy such a player, I am a personally not sure of. I have liked absolutely nothing that I have seen from the Isak camp. He should have informed the club that he wanted to leave, but to keep fighting publically, creating a toxic mess, is truly bad despite the internal problems around sales and buys and whatnot in Newcastle.

How do we know he won’t do this to our player group ? To our club ? Sure, we would likely have solved it much better than Newcastle, but still.

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He informed the team after discussions which began last summer; his behaviour is no ‘worse’’ than Virg at Southampton

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Fair perhaps.

Even so, it could be potentially problematic having him at a team building lunch. Howe must do what he feels is best.

Someone give them a sense of direction for the love of god. Wonder who they’ll turn to after that

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I don’t get the frequent bashing that Howe gets to be honest. He is a decent manager who is working for questionable employers.

He isn’t as arrogant as Arteta or Guardiola. Not saying he is very likeable but somewhere in the middle.

Perhaps he is out of his depth completely if transfer responsibility has now fallen into his hands but overall I would say he has done decently with the squad he has.

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