Post Match: Brighton v Liverpool (EPL 28/11/20 12.30pm)

Next thing, I reckon, is the FA/PL will charge jurgen, another way to have a dig…

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I have thought this since as well, but luckily, I think he only leveled vitriol at the ‘broadcasters’.

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No. I didn’t like it when Wolves were robbed against us last year.

The problem is trying to apply an objective standard to a subjective issue using imperfect technology. And killing enjoyment of the game in the process

The law states that a players cannot gain an advantage by being in an offside position. Mo Salah is not gaining an advantage by his toe being one centimetre offside.

Hence, rule the obvious ones off, but don’t piss out with lines and shit. If it’s that close no-one is gaining an advantage.

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The drawing lines thing is already ridiculous, maybe even more ridiculous is the assumption that they’re always able to determine the 100% correct frame to freeze/pause.

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We’ve been hard done by this season absolutely. Refereeing is questionable and shocking too but that’s down to incompetence more than anything. All clubs face similar situations but some more than others but not by design.

The injuries have also taken a toll and the nature behind some of them. That said we can ill afford to wallow too much. Need to look forward and improve. Let’s hope for a successful season.

Friendly fire incoming I suspect :flushed:

Why do people complain that the offside technology is imperfect? If they upgrade From 100 cameras to 100,000 cameras it’s still an imperfect system. There is no such thing as a perfect video review system so people wanting that are going to be waiting a long time for it. You work with the technology available at the time.

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I don’t buy the whole ‘incompetence’ argument these days. Haven’t for some time. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it probably is a duck.

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I’m complaining that the technology is being used to make judgements as if it were 100% perfect.

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Very unusual for The Boss to take a run at another manager but it also makes me happy he’s not pulling any punches. We are all adults here and he should feel free to respond to another adult chatting shit. I love Chris Wilder quite a bit but I also feel like he’s been a little out of control recently and cracking under the pressure.

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If VAR want to ponce about with CAD lines they firstly need to discover how to work the CAD…
The triangulation method mentioned in a post above is on the right track however…so is the method of striking an arc to gather sizes to see which player is closer to the goal (or furthest away from the centre-line - same thing)… Unfortunately, the groundsman does not have the benefit or technology to chalk out the lines on the pitch accurately enough (square and perpendicular) to produce a DATUM line to begin transferring sizes from… as in the way VAR attempt to do it…

One way to get an accurate size of whether defender or attacker is closer to the goal-line or by-line (off-side or on-side) at the time of the ball being passed forward… a) Using a CAD computer screen draw two straight lines from/to the opposing goalpost uprights at each end of the pitch.
b) Where these two lines intersect will be the centre/kick-off spot off the pitch. c) From this kick-off spot a radius arc/s can be projected (like ripples in a pond if a stone was dropped on the kick-off spot) d) The player that requires the larger size arc… is the player that is closest to the goal…!!!
Easy Peasy… :0))

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Nice to be in the champion’s spot overnight. Unfortunately we can’t prevent one of the London clubs moving above us tomorrow.

Who said it’s perfect?? Nobody thinks it is. It’s being applied to make decisions as the ‘best tech currently available’. Would you prefer to go back to linesman calls until we get perfect tech ( which will never come) and we can go back to accepting this?

I think VAR is shite.

Leaving that aside, there are offside/non-offside decisions where I think the right thing to do would be ‘We can’t possibly say with confidence, too close to call, the goal stands’. Unfortunately they’ve boxed themselves into a corner where they’ll try to draw as many lines as possible to come to some definitive decision. At least that’s my impression.

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This is a false example; but yes lets go back to that system. Because there were clearly less injustices created. There was always a margin of error; but somehow with the best tech currently available there are now more errors, way more.

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And still bombs missed, and still innocents died

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At least we no longer get goals given which were offside which was the main gripe.

Instead at worst what we get are goals disallowed which are arguably level…

I think in terms of the offside decisions VAR is marginally better than the linesman deciding. More are right now than before.

I actually prefer the old system where a decision was given but wasn’t then analyzed and studied in slow mo and freeze frame from every angle. At every other level of football that is what still happens and it still seems to work.

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You know what, if you want HAL9000 to ref the game (and note even that betrayed us in the end) then fit players with trackers and alerts so they can at least know they are in an offside position. At present a player has next to no clue - so how can you legitimately engage in the sport if you do not have a certain application of the rules?

It has been called that for eons!

Why does the VAR official only seem to intervene when they think there’s a foul inside the penalty area? What about fouls that the referee misses all over the pitch ? On this occasion, the referee saw the incident and decided it wasn’t a penalty, it wasn’t a clear and obvious error. I think once he’d been told to look at the screen, he felt obliged to change his mind. I notice he didn’t look at the screen very long either.

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