This. They should be checking the player’s torso and be done with it.
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He even admitted an easy pen
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You can take the boy out of Manchester…
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…as a piece of crumpled foil leaves his hand.
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Wilder and Klopp are saying the same thing, ‘my club comes 1st’ so are they both chatting shit?
Klopp fell into the trap here. To get headlines Wilder needs to provoke a manager of a big club in this case Klopp because he goes on about this stuff a lot. Klopp doesn’t need to provoke other managers least of all of a lowly club like SU. Klopp did Wilder a service and got everyone bar LFC fans on Wilders side. The club have to step in quick here imo and curb Klopp on this. It will only reflect badly on us.
SU 7 LFC 0. 
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WBA 1 SHU 0
(Yes, it is a complete sentence)
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I will not abide by this sort of anti-big nipple bigotry.
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I think Your overthinking it.
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Ha, I nearly posted the same. How would this apply in the womens game 
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So which part of the VAR review makes you think that? The VAR picks the pixel closest to the goal for both the attacker and the last defender. Can the system measure that? Yep. Over time, the camera resolution will improve so the VAR will be better able to pick the closest pixels for both.
As for the frame rate, the VAR hawk-eye tech is calibrated with the broadcaster’s 50fps feed. I don’t think there can be a problem there with picking the wrong frame for whwn the ball was kicked.
As for the camera angles, I don’t think any of us can understand how they are truly set up, but we know that they have a 3D model of every ground taking Into account even that pitche’s camber as explained here in unfortunately quite a high level:
So which part of the decision making process is being made where the technology could potentially be giving the wrong result?
I take the point made several times that it makes the game shit as it completely destroys the flow of the game, but I would like someone to explain how they perceive the technology being completely inadequate.
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Im more caught up in questioning my use of hyphen in that post. Did that require a double hyphen?
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Whereas I saw the word ‘anti’, and thought well there’s an inherent gender bias if I ever saw one, what about uncles.
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There is no definitive point that can be identified of when the ball was kicked. They pick the best of the frames they are given, but that means the whole process begins with an unknown level of error.
The next issue is that the pixels that the lines are drawn from are selected by humans. This is a very inexact process and the sort of process that has significant test-retest variability even in the same individual.
To clarify, I do not think it is “completely inadequate.” I think it is a potentially very useful improvement, but only if used with respect of its limitations.
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But we know that the linesman are already falling back to VAR because they don’t want to look like a dick if they call offside when it’s close. So you want the VAR to ignore ‘close’ - whatever the hell that means and god knows how you define it - and you are ok with the onfield linesman doing the same as they continue to shirk responsibility?
Sounds like a potential clusterfuck to me.
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WTF?
Klopp is passionate and fiery and I wouldn’t change him, but he knows what he’s doing here.
He has been clear that Wilder is trying to push a short term aim of giving his team an advantage. Klopp is speaking on behalf of players in general.
Every time he raises this he talks about other clubs. Brighton lost two players today and he was quick to acknowledge this.
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Klopp is saying nothing of the sort. He has been consistent on that when he talks about this, he’s talking about welfare of all players.
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It says the broadcaster is broadcasting in 50fps, and the Hawkeye cameras are synced at the frame they choose for the point of ball contact. I would think 50fps is excellent in terms of picking the correct frame. I can see absolutely no issue with this.
Of course! I don’t think we are anywhere near AI interpreting and then deciding what is Salah’s toe and whether it’s offside. Humans will be always be making that choice. As you say, if the same offside call was viewed by 100 different VAR’s, it’s likely the same pixel want chosen by all of them, especially when we are talking about 4k cameras. How is that a problem? We ask on-field refs to determine whether the ball hit the shoulder or the arm in real time and often there isn’t agreement in replays. Isn’t that the nature of subjectivity? Is there a problem with that? How do you remove human interpretation without going to AI (which doesn’t really solve that issue anyway)?
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My point was that if we had VAR in play, that United goal never would have stood, so I would question anybody wanting to go back to ‘the good old days’ for better offside calls.
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Errrrr… it’s Manchester United. Of course it would have stood.
Or they’d have been awarded a penalty instead.
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Yeah, I’ve no problem with the use of a video assistant. My problem is with implementation. The first place I’d start is to get rid of using it to try and arbitrate offside decisions on millimetres.
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