Sorry, but you’re just wrong there about the 50fps accuracy. There’s a reason why ‘photo finish’ technology in other sports (races/track and field) uses infinitely higher frame rates (as well as sophisticated triggering technology)
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I don’t like linesmen shirking the obvious ones, because at some point a player is going to get injured chasing down a striker who should have been called offside.
But in general I’m fine if a linesman genuinely feels they don’t know and would like VAR to have a look. My problem is when VAR turns into a forensic examination of how long the strikers toenails are. This is where it gets ridiculous.
Today’s game provided excellent examples. Mane was clearly offside. You didn’t need to start drawing lines on the pitch to see that. Mo Salah’s took a couple of minutes to work out, and maybe at the end of it his big toe was offside, as long as the VAR paused the video at the right time.
For the second, the process should have been is he offside? Hmm. Can’t really tell. Looks level. Fine then. Go with the on pitch decision.
The games authorities are destroying it in search of objective decisions. Let VAR pick up the ones like the Man Utd one you posted. Not Mo Salah’s Big Toe, Bobby’s armpit, Sadio’s sleeve, or Bamford just fucking pointing at where he wanted the ball (the most egregious of the lot IMO).
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Spot on. I really don’t know why this is so difficult to understand for some. The VAR technology isn’t precise enough to make this type of close calls.
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Few points I want to make.
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First pen was a pen. Really poor defending from Neco. He has to learn to not be so rash.
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Second pen. For me it was a pen. But you could only tell after seeing the slow no replay. Not a clear and obvious error, so var shouldn’t have got involved. And if they could decide that was a pen through VAR then the fiasco over the assault on VVD shouldn’t have got to that stage.
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The Mo disallowed goal for offside. The lack of confidence I think comes in the use of the technology as the VAR ruling some as onside and others as offside, as the VAR official sees fit and not oh OK the same rule is being applied to all the same way.
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Sick and tired the way some of our so called ‘fans’ bend over backwards to see it the ‘unbiased’ way. So unbiased that they are actually biased against their own team. Klopp was being goaded by Des Kelly. He was asked about the decisions and Klopp said with no iffs or buts the ref got them right. Then Des Kelly starts trying to make an issue of it. Klopp was bang on in my opinion. The Des Kelly was playing dumb about the 12:30pm kick off. Klopp knew it and called him out on it. Then over Chris Wilder. As one poster (who gets right on my nerves) said Wilder and Klopp both talking rubbish. Nope wrong again mate. Wilder was being selfish and just thinking about the advantage to his club. Klopp was thinking about the welfare of all players, in all clubs. Backed up by the way he’s been using his players, trying his best to avoid them getting injuries.
And this last point is what really winds me up. Stuff like, we were fortunate not to lose, so a draw is fair result. We were fortunate they missed the peno.??? Crap peno. No luck involved. Sometimes a team gets battered for 80 mind and we’ve only scored one, then for the last 10 mins, the other team misses a good chance and the keeper saves a beauty(that’s what he’s there for) and the unbiased modern yogurt knitter fan says we were lucky as if the previous 80 mins are not part of the game.
One more point as I’m getting it all off my chest. I hate when there’s a few clearly offside chances, but no whistle blown or needed because they come to nothing and the modern yogurt knitting super fan says We were LUCKY grrrrrr.
Sorry this the last point. When a fan says’ Well if that happened to one of our players we’d want it’. Have you people seen the decisions given against us and the decisions not given for us??? Just this season alone makes the mind boggle. Twice, TWIIICE!!! the ammount of other teams. We are way out in front, the others are all hundled together around 3 or 4. Grrrrrr.
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Improving the frame rate is probably going to provide the least significant improvement in VAR calls going forward. Those sports you mention pretty much rely solely on that technology. In a VAR offside call, the point at which the ball leaves the boot is but one of about 10 elements the VAR needs to assess.
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The primary one being how to adversely affect Liverpool.
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I disagree. If you’re aware of the level of inaccuracy/room for error you feel a lot different about centimetre/armpit type of decisions that are being made on a now constant basis.
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Wow love how some people will do mental gymnastics instead of just being able to say good point that.
The ball leaving the foot is a very important part of an offside decision, if that can’t be 100% determined, then how can a couple of mm be decided? It can’t.
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I’m sure he knows he had a poor afternoon, even before that incident. He got beaten a lot, and even in the air leading up to the penalty so was trying to make amends and being far too rash like all young players
Two wrongs don’t make a right. Be frustrated that the VAR didn’t even ask the onfield ref to look at the VVD incident, but that should have no bearing on this decision. They got this one right. They got the VVD one wrong. The world knows that.
But it is being applied consistently. Read my link to the PL VAR page. They make mention of the fact that sometimes the lines look in the wrong place due to the perspectives of the camera (check the Dier example). That doesn’t mean it is wrong. It just means us viewers can’t be aware of how perspective is playing into where the lines are drawn.
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How does one get into yogurt-knitting?
Asking for a friend…
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Its is a rite of passage that follows plaiting fog.
A friend told me.
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There must be some whey…
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Surely you must have some idea?
You’re very cultured…
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Not in my opinion. The VAR is working within the limitations of the technology. You and I know there are limitations. But for me that doesn’t make it something to throw in the trash because it is still much better than any alternative.
If the PL have decided prior to the season start that the arm pit represents the cut off between shoulder and upper arm, which is how they decide both handball and offside, then I would expect the VAR to draw the line from that point. Still don’t get the uproar on the Firmino offside.
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Anyways…if anyone can help, I’d be very grateful.
It sounds udderly fascinating.
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That was a bit strained.
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Fair enough…
It may as well have been in Greek.
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Ubermick’s not around tonight, is he??
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But there is no logical connection whatsoever between the armpit or upper arm in the context of unfair advantage in offside.
As well, people that seem to support VAR, are mentioning it as some sort of ‘technological process’ when it is not exclusively that. Its an assistant ref sat with a computer and a mouse that ‘interprets’ data. The objectivity of it is a nonsense.
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My point is about accepting the limitations of technology in close call situations, by simply saying it’s too close to call given these limitations. They aren’t doing that atm. But we’re going in circles here. Maybe let’s just respectfully agree to disagree?
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