Post match: Liverpool v Everton (EPL 21/10/23 12.30pm)

A clean sheet and 3 points is what matters in these games, Dyche moaning but can’t see his own errors, why did he leave young on after been booked then kicked the ball away which should have been a second yellow and then he gets a second yellow. Klopp replaced Konate immediately after he could have got a second yellow top manager.

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That’s it. Might have been a yellow, might not. Seen them given, seen them not given.

If this is what Dyche is basing his hard luck story on, they are fucked. Hopefully for them, it’s a public front and behind closed doors he’s hammering them for their shambolic performance.

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This post has no basis in reality. It’s just reinforcement of an opinion that @Flobs has had consistently on Mac Allister since we brought him in. That’s an agenda.

87.8% pass completion, 7 shot creating actions, 3 key passes, 98 total touches, 6 possession recoveries. Not bad for someone who just played one decent pass and cannot hold the ball.

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I thought it was 102!

Depends on the person tallying the stats. Fbref says 98.

They were generally how I expected them to be after the sending off.

The way they played higher up I expect Trent would have got Dias or Salah in at some point without the sending off but end of the day the tackles were yellows.

Rarely have I felt so comfortable at 1-0

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Still not quite sure how Brentford managed to concede three times against them.

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Fair enough, no issue agreeing to disagree. His second half performance was far stronger than his first half. Wasn’t it his attempted pass that led to Everton’s one and only shot on target?
I am a big fan and delighted with his signing and accept he’s playing in an unfamiliar role currently.

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Ah. I thought you were referring to my comment.
I think he’s a smashing player and has improved our midfield from last year but also he’s capable of playing better and there’s no question he will be a success here.

It’s not just Dyche. It’s the framing of the game from almost all of the media.

Additional context for this appears to be that it happened in in a game in which everton had already had someone sent off. Yet there is no argument what so ever for Young getting to stay on the pitch except for asking refs to do what Oliver did the other week that caused so much controversy and simply try to not send players off. Yet the coverage is acting like Everton were owed one because they’d already had a player sent off. Everton were certainly “owed one” but were so in the sense that they were defending desperately and committing fouls all over the place that the probability of one of their defenders or midfielder eventually accumulating 2 yellows was approaching certainty. If you wanted to frame this in a narrative that explains how the game actually went you’d point to Tarkowski getting away with a borderline red card challenge for tripping Jota on the edge of the box after being beaten and not even getting a yellow, as early as the 20th minute, and then went on to pick up a deserved booking only 10 mins later. What about the Diaz penalty being overlooked? Defensible maybe, albeit only with tortured logic, but another incident to tally in the Everton got away with one" column as you use refereeing decisions to create your narrative for the game. What about the incredibly clumsy and desperate group challenge on Jota in the box right at the end of the first half? Looked a really candidate for a pen to me just simply due to the number of legs, but wasnt even considered important enough for anyone to show a replay despite the liverpool protests.

I am fine with Dyche complaining about it. But no one is required to take him seriously. No one should have their story driven for them by what the manager of the overmatched side says as a way to pick out of glimmer of hope for themselves. Yet this is what the press do as they are seemingly incapable of covering actual football and can only do it through the lens of soap opera where they fuel the controversies, allowing them to be generated out of thin air.

And this isnt just a comment based on frustrations of the way a liverpool game is referreed. After the United Arsenal game the other week lots of the coverage was over the offside call that disallowed what looked at the time like a United winner. Yet it was offside and the call was not controversial. Tight, sure. But not controversial. Yet the press allowed EtH’s fabricated complaints about it and how the angle doesnt look right to be the focus.

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There were 4 key decisions.

I believe all of them were correctly decided.

Young’s two challenges were yellows = Red

Penalty was a penalty, the arm is out stretched and it prevents the ball from going into the box.

Beto comes across Konate and though he fouls he isn’t the last man and it’s not to me a yellow but I could see why it could and could not be given.

The other penalty I would say wasn’t due to being more of the body than the legs, again I could see why it could be given. I just didn’t see it as an obvious error.

Another ref wouldn’t have given those early yellows and would have no doubt lost control. There was nothing really dirty because he had set his stall out early.

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I just rewatched the Jota non-penalty. It’s laughable. Jota runs into the box and Tarkowski dives in. Jota skips by the challenge but goes down over the outstretched leg. Nothing given. This remember for an Everton CB already on a yellow.

Has anyone seen this incident even referenced in any report on the match or highlight package?

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We would have broken through Everton far more easily if Everton didn’t recieve a red card. Getting a red card allowed them to be even more defensive and created a problem for us to get through.

That said , we should have put the game to bed earlier.

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I’ve not actually seen that as you say it’s not on any of the highlights and I had gone to get a cup of tea.

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I was just wondering where he’s seen crabs pass a football

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Excuses! :roll_eyes:

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4 of them were deemed sexually inappropriate.

Thought when he came on Elliot had a real good game.

Definitely seems to have matured this season and is more solid on the ball and with his decision making.

Fantastic prospect for us

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I don’t think he’s made an ineffective appearance of the bench yet. It’s all very encouraging with him. It’s going to be interesting to see how he fits in moving forward though given the players seemingly ahead of him in the pecking order are not that much older than he is

Harvey - will be 21 in April

Gravenberch - 22 in May
Dom - still only 22
Jones - a couple of months younger than Dom

MacAlister is really the only one notably older than him and he’s himself still only 24

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Apparently they’re really friggin good at it.