To be fair, I’d suggest ‘put them under a bit of pressure and they’ll do something bonkers’ is a pretty sound tactical plan for any team who has been paying attention to us this season.
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the key is to spend the money on the right players, which has been done many times since Klopp/Edwards. Set club transfer records in GK/CB/CM/ST/LW. Only place he hasn’t dumped a ton of money into is FB, which is because of Robbo/TAA being young and established in those positions.
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SPOT ON. we’re so timid in moving the ball forward that the other teams switch to a high press and wait for a turnover. considering where we were 12mo ago, it’s a major concern.
we get glimpses of hope, like this
This for me is bang on the money.
Klopp has been fantastic but squad succession has been his weakness. Saying that 99% of clubs would die to be as “unsuccessful” as we’ve been during his tenure.
Madrid has moved on players or relegated them to squad options like Asensio, Vasquez or Ceballos. Gini was a good example of doing that. We haven’t done it often or ruthlessly enough.
That depends what the plan is.
Personally I think the plan has always been to keep the squad together for a number of years with minimum churn and then do a big rebuild, rather than refresh it year on year.
Of course it is the key.
But I just asked a simple question. Would 200 million quid in Klopp’s hands have made a difference? That’s it.
it’s an impossible question. We know the funds were available in the summer window for Tchouameni, who chose Real. Klopp has said numerous times the funds are available for the right player.
throwing 200M into the market like a dartboard and hoping something sticks is not a transfer strategy. that’s not sustainable and not how we do business. This has been stated by Klopp so many times, it’s still amazing to me that folks aren’t understanding this.
I agree. But Bob Paisley never had a big churn over of players from memory. Just moved on players as their legs were going. Jimmy Case was a good example. As Bob said 'A player isn’t finished when he leaves Liverpool, he’s just finished at Liverpool.
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It’s not an impossible question. Ifitkat said 200 million wouldn’t make a difference. I think it would.
By the way it started with Ifitkar saying hypothetically 200 million wouldn’t make a difference. I never said or advocate throwing 200 million around like a druken sailor is the way to go. However, hypothetically, I would trust Klopp to spend 200 million quid wisely. Which would have made a massive difference to this season. You don’t seem to think it would. Or you are over complicating the question not to give a definitive answer. That’s fine.
£200m would make a massive difference.
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All I want is, our boys to go to Real on the 15th and show em how we play. We get to pens, we don’t get to pens, but lets go out there and really rattle them and show em how they caught us on a shit night. It hurts, but saying he was shit, they were shit, they are a team and I would think they all feel shit…just go to Real and hurt em please…
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Bob Paisley was coaching in an era where it was a lot easier to move players on as their legs went. You can’t do that as easily today. There is so much data and analysis swirling round the game, it’s impossible to pull the wool over anyone’s eyes. A 14 year old fan making scouting videos to shit trance music has more data and insight at their fingertips than any scout in the seventies had.
I’ve said it in other threads, but if you want to sell players before their legs go, then in the summer just gone we’re selling Mo Salah, Virgil Van Dijk, Fabinho and Sadio Mane. Year before that we’re moving on Jordan Henderson, Joel Matip, Bobby Firmino.
I can only imagine the riots had we done that.
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Yes and no, for example A player like Stevie G was told he would be a squad option. He decided to move on. Players told this in the right manner will agree to a squad role or move on.
Like you i don’t think we need a big churn over each year but we do need to stop giving long contracts to 30 year olds and over which we did with Gini.
we already know it would, look at 2018 which was the foundation of the four years which followed
But the right players were available for purchase. not always the case as these two transfer windows where we spent 225mil euro.
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So you agree then? Uff I’m knackered now. An ‘I agree’ answer would have sufficed.
That isn’t the point you were making. You were doing the ‘move them on before their legs go’ thing. I’m saying that’s not as easy to do as it was in the seventies.
If we move them on before their legs go, Mo Salah isn’t a Liverpool play at this point, and judging how Twitter was melting down a year ago because FSG would not let him write his own contract on a bit of paper, our fanbase does not have the maturity for this kind of strategy.
Persuading players to move on is a completely different kettle of fish.
Which we’re seeing right now with Ox and Naby, sometimes not even an option.
I’ve already stated, what Klopp has reiterated numerous times. for the right player, the money is there.
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For me its how we have collectively fallen off a cliff. I cant name a single player that was a regular for us last season, or before, that has performed anywhere near the level they are capable of. Not one. Glimpses of quality are overshadowed extended periods of … struggling to find the words being honest. It’s everything from lacking in concentration, loss of pace, loss of ability to control a football, poor positional awareness, poor general awareness and even a lack of effort.
The decline has been staggering with absolutely no sign of it changing. New players introduced into the team dont seem to have helped, if anything they’ve upset the balance further.