Red card or not (I thought it should have been) the incident actually was a huge moment in the game… The team all came storming over and just bullied the Utd players like Fernandes etc. Utd like in the game dissolved as individuals v’s the intensity of a team collective from us.
They went away from that incident tail between the legs and we ran rampant, they just rolled over.
In a single moment it shows how far appart the clubs and team are both on and off the field.
What you mean is they are fucking pussys
Does anyone here think Ronaldo’s interaction with Jones wasn’t a red card?
I’d say it was a red.
This is the view from our coaching staff, which I agree with;
"As the Liverpool team bus made its way back to Merseyside, some of the conversations among the staff related to Taylor’s performance, who could have dismissed Ronaldo for violent conduct after kicking the ball at Jones who was laying on the floor after a tussle with the Portuguese. On colder reflection, it was concluded by figures at Liverpool that VAR had saved Ronaldo. Not so long ago, it was the sort of act that would have been seen by the referees’ assistant, resulting in the harshest reprimand. “It was a little bit naughty,” says a Liverpool source. “But when you look back on the cameras, I suppose you could say Ronaldo was entitled to go for it.”
"Though he privately claims to be an Altrincham fan, wider questions have long been asked about Taylor’s appointment to games involving Manchester clubs given that he was born and grew up in Greater Manchester. Inside Liverpool, he is considered a competent referee but on this occasion, according to sources close to the Liverpool bench, there was a feeling that Taylor took pity on United.
“There could have been five red cards for United in total,” says another Liverpool source, who says Klopp also felt Taylor could have sent [Fred] off for a head-high challenge on Keita a few minutes before he was carried away from the pitch because of Pogba’s tackle. “(Antoine) Griezmann got a red card for doing the same thing on Bobby (Firmino) in the previous game. Where’s the consistency?”
Taylor is just a weak ref, like all the others.
Which is my view too.
He doesn’t have the same entitlement with the first swipe though, which is the point.
Quite possibly but remember Pogba had been dropped and he was probably pissed about that. Ego and all. And then having to sit there and watch the first half mauling and then comes on, probably even more pissed etc.
For things like this it should be a minimum 3 game ban IMO. That should be the starting point and should be reviewed along with the parameters being how reckless it was, intent, and were there any mitigating factors. Basically if football wants to stamp out this kind of tackle, and they should, then harsh punishments should be in place. 2 footed challenges like that simply need to be outlawed, whether they cause injury or not.
not with you on this one, if he was attempting to really get the ball hed put his foot either on it and roll it back gently, or flick it to the side.
ive heard Ronaldo is a half decent player thats played a few games of footer , im sure with his experience hed undertsand the ball cant travel directly through Curtis Jones no matter how hard he tries to kick it.
lets assume he still thinks the ball can actually travel though Curtis, why is he not following through as you would if you were trying to innocently cross the ball, why is the boot laid in and pulled back immediately, is that some new technique of kicking?
i don’t know how you can look at that and suggest he’s not literally just laying the boot into another player.
But I’m not saying that. I’m just saying that the ball is there and he’s entitled to go for it. Kicking it forward would be a way to try and dislodge the ball from Jones. If Jones was standing up and his foot was behind the ball instead of his body he’d have the exact same entitlement notwithstanding he’d have no hope of thinking that the ball would miraculously travel through Jones’ foot/leg.
He doesn’t go over the top of the ball, he kicks at it, hard - yes. In theory, Jones’ position could be deemed as obstruction. Trying to place his foot on top of the ball and rolling it back would be worse for Ronaldo as then he’d be going in studs up, with risk that he’d make contact first with Jones’ body, and might be viewed then as an attempted stamp. The way he goes at the ball he can legitimately claim to be contesting it.
As I’ve said though, whilst it isn’t violent conduct according to the laws of the game (because he’s challenging for the ball) you could argue that he’s using excessive force but that’s marginal (yellow/orange). Whereas the first swipe there is no attempt to play the ball and he’s more clearly trying to kick at Jones (red).
I wasn’t that bothered about the first one. I think he’s trying to hook the ball from around Jones. It’s a foul, but nothing more than that.
The two kicks he aims at Jones on the floor are the problem. Is intent is obviously to take out his frustrations on Jones and hurt the lad. He is using the ball as a shithouse way of trying to get around the rules (what do you mean ref? I played the ball).
I remember a few years ago Ferguson got in a lather because a player kicked the ball at his player. In that case it was far more arguable that it was a shot at goal.
If you believe him that he’s making an honest challenge for the ball, then you’d also probably believe him if you were an attractive young woman and he has told you he wants you to come to his hotel room for a chat and a coffee.
I don’t know about that. The ball is on the floor, so why is Ronaldo kicking Jones in the midrift?
Can we now have the ones involving Maguire, Fernandes and Fred so we can debate the shit out of those as well? 
I’m game for a laugh. Anything involving Maguire at the moment has more than a little bit of Frank Spencer about it.
I didn’t actually see the Maguire incident at the time, so I’d be interested to know what happened.
The moment I’ve been waiting for…,
Falling and lying on the ground after being fouled wouldn’t be deemed as obstruction by any competent ref
That game I still can’t quite believe it feel extra special, particularly after defeating Athletico Madrid.
Not surprised. I didn’t really like it very much on Sunday morning.
I have positive associations with it now…
There wasn’t a whole lot to the Maguire incident - he went through the player to get the ball, took him out completely, touched the ball, then complained that he had touched the ball. I didn’t really think it was a red at the time, because it was an effort to play the ball, just really, really clumsy.
If it’s the tackle I’m thinking of, the question of red came up because Maguire may have been last man. Jota would have been through to shoot on De Gea if he wasn’t brought down. So more a tactical foul than a dirty one. I think there was probably another defender close enough it didn’t really merit red.
On that thought, am I the only one who thought De Gea greatly aided in giving us more space to play through and around their defense by staying absolutely rooted to his line? I recall several through balls where as they were played I thought “crap too deep, keeper will grab it” only to not see De Gea in the frame when one of our forwards latched onto it.
I thought Mo had taken a heavy touch for the fifth, and he probably had with most other keepers.