In 20 domestic games this season Liverpool have been issued with 27 yellow cards and 1 red . 11 of those yellows and the red have been issued in 3 games by Paul Tierney.
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He came across as someone who flashes his cards quite easily so I wonder how his general stats add up.
Just because we accumulated an insane amount of points doesn’t mean they didn’t try to shaft us.
The season before we won it we were done over by two incidents. The first being Anthony Taylor failing to send off Kompany at the Etihad when he scythed down Salah. Then Atkinson (a serial offender) refused to give a clear pen on Keita in a 1-1 draw with Leicester which cost us 2 points.
He also should have sent off Maguire for a last-man tackle in the first half. Guess who scored the equaliser? At a minimum we were done out of 3 points and City gained 2 from those incidents. The difference between winning the league and coming 2nd.
Season we won it we were so good they didn’t stand a chance of fucking us but that didn’t stop them trying. Atkinson again at Villa Park bending the VAR line to disallow Bobby’s goal, Bobby’s goal disallowed against Man U for a ‘foul’ on De Gea, Atkinson (it’s that man again) not giving a foul on Divock in the lead-up to Man U’s goal, Taylor (it’s that man again) disallowing Mane’s winner against Wolves for handball then having to change his decision after watching it on the monitor. Strange how often Taylor fails to see things that benefit Liverpool isn’t it? 2 more this season, only sent off James against Chelsea after VAR got involved because he missed the handball and only sent off Pogba at Man U for the same reason.
Yesterday’s clown, Tierney, has plenty of previous too. Didn’t send off Christenson at Chelsea until VAR got involved, blew up early in the home game against Man U just as Mane was clear through on goal…
Don’t get me started on Coote at Goodison last year or Marriner at Southampton, both bent as a dog’s back leg. Or Atkinson (it’s that man again) not giving Salah a clear pen at Villa when it was still 1-1, or Dean giving a pen to Sheffield Utd at Anfield when Fabinho won the ball outside the box!
Same old faces all the time. It’s a fucking joke and quite frankly I’m baffled how any of our fans who’ve seen all these incidents still deny it’s an issue.
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You are 100% correct.
Im still not over the disallowed Sterling goal and the non-red card for Eto’o in the space of about 5 days that saw us drop from 1st to 5th in 13-14. The first is among the worst decisions Ive ever seen, the type that if it was done by a bent linesman he’d have accidentally fallen through a 5th story window the next day for having made the scam so obvious.
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Because they are not paranoid i guess.
You literally just blew the bottom off of the conspiracy by saying these refs sent people off after VAR got involved.
If it was a conspiracy as you claim, why is VAR intervening? Why are the refs not ‘reviewing’ the incidents and then sticking to their original view point
Being shit at your job or having a personal bias does not equal a conspiracy.
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Do one with your ‘paranoid’ shite for a start. Strange how the ones who are so keen to shoot down anyone who thinks there’s corruption involved are always the ones to start with the personal abuse isn’t it?
I’ve never claimed some grand conspiracy. I’ve never claimed every referee was corrupt. I’ve never claimed the match referee and the VAR are working as a team to shaft us.
I’ll give you a very good example of what I’m talking about. Last seasons Goodison derby was as corrupt as anything I’ve ever seen. The referee, Michael Oliver, is in my opinion the best referee in the country. The VAR, David Coote, is in my opinion a fucking cheat with an agenda against this football club. I would never consider for one second those two being in cahoots to cheat us. I believe Oliver did his best to referee the match as he saw it and I believe Coote abused his position to cheat us out of the win.
Had it been Coote refereeing and Oliver on VAR it might have been a different result. Coote would have given us nothing, but Oliver may well have told him Pickford should be sent off and allowed Hendersons winning goal. At the very least Oliver would have put Coote in a position where he felt he had to make the right decision instead of exposing himself as a cheat.
Anthony Taylor, from Manchester, has a history of ‘missing’ incidents to LFC’s detriment and then has to correct his decisions when an honest VAR tells him he should review it. I have listed several examples above but can’t think of one where he’s had to penalise Liverpool as a result. Odd if you ask me.
You ask if it is a conspiracy why is VAR intervening? Well, on Sunday that’s exactly what happened when 2 dodgy officials were paired up. Paul Tierney from Greater Manchester and Chris Kavanagh from Greater Manchester. Tierney doesn’t give the pen on Jota and doesn’t send Kane off. Kavanagh says there’s nothing to see here. Tierney books Robertson but this time Kavanagh gets involved and tells Tierney you may want to send him off. Robertson’s fate is sealed.
So VAR got involved to our detriment but not to our benefit. And don’t talk about Salah’s handball or Alli’s dive because it’s clear they were the right decisions and ruling any other way would have been dodgy as fuck.
There’s a small group of officials who are always at the scene of the crime and most of them (but not all) seem to be from the same geographical area. They can screw us over in ways I’ve described whether they are working as a pair, refereeing the game with an honest VAR or on VAR themselves with an honest ref.
You’re right on one thing, being shit at your job or having a personal bias doesn’t equal a conspiracy. But what it does do is make you a cheat if you allow that bias to influence your decisions while also making you totally unfit for the job.
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Caveat,
I’m only responding to the portions referring to VAR as to why my conclusion is Tierney has a massive fucking problem with Klopp for some reason. Kavanaugh in this instance is more a problem with the PL’s guideline and instructions for the VAR. I believe @Limiescouse has covered this a bit but I am going to post a link to a Twitter thread
Long post short, the problem with the consistency of VAR is that The PL doesn’t want the VAR to have its own opinion. Essentially the VAR uses the verbal communication from the ref to set the parameters at what they can and can’t look at. And it’s a stupid fucking guideline.
Tierney has a massive bias against us. But there’s also a massive problem with the system in place
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That performance from ex-South Yorkshire policeman Howard Webb was a disgrace. The Eto’o incident you mention and denying us a penalty for a clear foul by the same player on Suarez.
A few weeks later he refereed our FA Cup game at Arsenal and his decision that day to not award us another penalty remains one of the worst I’ve ever seen. If you can’t remember it try and watch it on youtube, it’s absolutely astonishing and clear corruption for all to see.
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I think it’s an example of a principal that everyone seemed to agree on (the ref in the middle has to remain in charge) but the way that has been accomplished is capable of produce really fucking dumb outcomes.
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Imagine if an umpire says to the third ump; listen, I heard two sounds so I am sure he got a nick onto his pad so can’t be lbw. Then imagine the third umpire looking at the footage and seeing that the bat hit the pad causing the two sounds but saying, ‘well I can see why he gave it not out because there was two sounds’ and then giving it not out. The cricket world would be in an uproar for the complete silliness of the thought process behind reaching the decision.
Yet that scenario is literally what football governance has put in place i.e. justifying an incorrect decision rather than getting the right decision made on the field. It’s not rocket science; work as a team without the egos and get the right decision made so that everyone benefits, including the officials.
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Trying to hide the incompetence, imagine the number of decisions to be overturned. Didn’t help though, did it?
It’s his average per match, 4 yellows, which means we get the brunt of it evrery time he refs us.
Did the bellend who aggressed Robertson from behind causing Robertson to fall over the player he fouled get a yellow or not?
I mean I don’t think he did but that was the worst piece of foul play in the incident (only Kanes aggression on Robertson surpassing it) yet noone talks about it. That is definitely shithousery that needs to be stamped out.
I am sure that if one of our lads aggressed someone like that we would get 4 yellows spread around.
Anyway we as a team were very tame in our reactions and play, it was like we were under instructs to take care (not surprising with the ref we had). Spuds got away with murder imo. If that’s not a ref ‘after’ us I don’t know what is.
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Howard fucking Webb. I still remember him gifting a ridiculous penalty to the mancs to spark their comeback against Tottenham in 08/09. One of the decisions ending up costing us the title. And that second penalty on Suarez against Arsenal still sticks out as a sore thumb. He had no desire to award a second penalty to Liverpool on that day, so he didn’t. Simple as that. Fairness and all that be damned.
Like a good portion of his contemporaries, an absolute cunt of a referee.
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Were you on TIA?
We had an often heated, always spirited exchange in the issue of “conspiracy” that the Mods eventually closed.
Please dont start the “conspiracy” shite on here, it is insulting and derails any form of discussion.
Maybe read the posts by @jaffod and @Limiescouse above and see if you can establish patterns.
The decision to not send off Kompany in my view cost us a title. One microcosm of an overall malaise. A malaise perpetuated by the likes of Ferguson and some SKY heads.
I have been down this road before, and probably sailed close to being banned, one particular poster, an Epsom tory brought the worst of me.
I have no desire to be banned on here, so please cut the conspiracy narrative. Its not offered as a reason for decisions against us.
But bias is.
And after Sunday the whole corruption question is being asked.
Just read @jaffod response.
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Bang on.
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Is that the one when AOC was taken out? I was at that game. The whole stadium could see it was a pen.
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Well it was actually you (and doubled down by jaffod) who brought up ‘conspiracy’.
Implying ‘there were those who mocked us, but look at the evidence now!!!’
In my opinion there is still no evidence of a conspiracy, so claims of we were right all along are unfounded, just off the back off of a terrible and biased performance from this game
The wider picture or amassing huge points totals and low card totals implies there is not widespread bias, though there are individual cases where it appears there is.
But every fan of every club will say the same.
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Because we were labelled conspiracy theorists before, by people looking for hard evidence of bias. And when that was provided they wanted more and more until the discussion became pointless.
There are a few posters who have questioned their stated beliefs in the last while, and I think that is what @jaffod referred to.
And in your opinion “there is no evidence of conspiracy” I actually agree.
But there is bias, concious or not. There is a long standing agenda, vocalised by the Ferguson brigade and pepetuated by some of the Murdoch media.
Were you on TIA?
If not, this could take a while