I thought Sons goal was clearly offside albeit by a minimal amount. We have had goals disallowed for similar offside decisions.
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Been over this plenty of times.
My point is that we have three seconds to see if the advantage is ‘true’
Within that three seconds bobby handles the ball accidentally but it does create our advantage through a foul.
So the only correct decision, surely, is to bring it back to the first foul.
If it was a series of bad tackles it’d be obvious they drag it back to the first foul, I’m not sure where the confusion is.
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Fuck me, it was a hand ball, move on, who cares if us or them got a free kick near the half way line.
People think we are hard done to on decisions needs to check the Southampton one yesterday.
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welcome to the spurs vs LFC post match thread where it is completely dedicated for discussion about the match
The premier league thread is in the general football sub forum, if you want to talk about the Saints can you do it in there
theres other threads around also, a coronavirus one…where you can discuss the global pandemic., a climate change thread where you can discuss the climate, theres a TV one, one about funny stuff…its really well set out and thought out actually
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Accidental hand ball is not a foul.
Agreed, well said
Would be nice if there was some talk of the actual match, I have a scroll through every now and then these post match chats, see if there is any decent insight into the way we played, a players performance, the goals we scored.
We played Spurs off the park, best we have played in ages, but again the chat descends into the one decision that went against us and how the refs must have it in for us.
Think I will take your advise and give it a miss in future, not a fun place these post match threads
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it is if it causes an advantage isnt it?
if it wasnt an accident, the point remains, no avantage in the three second period means you award the first foul.
if it was an accident, and my interpretation of the rule is incorrect then yes, theres a very strong point htat the goal should have stood
regardless, once they’ve decided it was a bobby hand ball (and they obviously did) then surely they have to play the original foul…
feel free to input your own talk about the match, it was a really good game to watch so there are quite a few good talking points
however, we are not here to entertain you, we didnt sign up to the forums to provide online content, theres obviously a handful of us who find it an interesting side debate, why cant you just let us be? scrolling down takes but a few seconds in reality.
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Maybe there should be a separate thread also for VAR and Referee discussion?
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probably worth it in all honesty, its just a clusterfuck.
remember those old shoot and match magazine with ‘your the ref,?’
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I dont want to stop anyone having a discussion I’m all for it, and there will be times when a decision goes against us, for example the Mane offside when his back was to goal, where I will want to have a good fucking moan.
In that spirit, you write a post every week fuming about lads ‘hanging off’ Salah, yet somehow you don’t think that’s a free kick on Firmino?
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Its a discussion, and if you don’t agree with the content then fair enough. But if you are not involving yourself maybe just leave those engaged to continue the debate.
Its an incident in the Spurs match, in the proper thread. @Redbj and I differ on interpretation of the rules, thats all.
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Where I am confused in this disallowed goal incident is this…
a) The objective in the game of football is to score goals… yes
b) If we give the benefit of the doubt and that Atkinson knows the rules of the game… yes
c) He sees the Bobby incident, plays advantage and waves play on… yes
d) The ultimate advantage, is we continue playing trying to score… yes
and score we do.!
e) Now, both him and Roly Poly Moss on VAR have dug a hole for themselves… yes
f) Roly Poly Moss tells Twatkinson to check the monitor (which we know is code for…) …yes
g) Roly Poly is NOW refereeing the game by advising Twatkinson to reverse his advantage to ‘play on’ decision, because the ultimate advantage (if there can be such a thing), was we scored.
I always thought, VAR assistance, is supposed to do exactly what the title suggests… Assist.!
In this incident, unlike a studs up challenge for example, Twatkinson waved advantage to play on!
As a referee who supposedly knows the rules of the game… what advantage did he expect we have if not for scoring a goal…?? If he knows that was a possibility, then why wave play on…??
Mike Riley is making the rulings up as he goes… yet pleads the fifth amendment if he gets called out on his warped law making…!
In my opinion, there can only be one conclusion drawn where the referees committee and LFC are concerned… They biased as F***
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From IFAB…
Handballs
Any goal scored or created with the use of the hand or arm will be disallowed even if it is accidental.
So clearly the one outcome that definitely couldn’t happen was to allow the goal to stand…
That is a law of the game…not something that a referee is allowed to interpret. Pretty straightforward…
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That makes absolutely no sense, I’m afraid.
The point of VAR is to spot things that the on field ref missed. In this case, Atkinson didn’t spot the Bobby handball. The play on was nothing to do with the handball. Bobby was being fouled by Dier, but still got the ball to Thiago. So play on. It gets chalked off because the VAR spots the handball and recommends Atkinson takes a look.
It isn’t fair to award Spurs the free kick, as Dier was hung off Bobby neck like a cheap scarf, but neither is it fair to award us a free kick as we had the advantage played. In my opinion the only thing to do is a contested drop ball, but we can’t have those anymore.
I’ve been as vocal as anyone this season about refereeing bias, but there was nothing at all in the performance of the referees on Thursday that suggests bias. Son could have been found to be onside if the referees were so minded, and I think it’s absurd to be claiming bias and corruption in a game in which we profited from an extremely dubious offside (it might be technically off, but he is gaining no advantage by havebig his foot millimetres ahead of Trent’s elbow)
I think the problem with the decision, is that there is no outcome from that process that is fair and equitable. You have to restart the game somehow.
Anyway, we were boss again, weren’t we. Shall we talk about that for a while?
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Of course you do, cos your the voice of reason, the balance, the PC fan. The ying to our yang.
Semantics
Advantage was played and its half the lenght of the pitch following the accidental handball.
Read @sandsoftime post above. Explains it nicely.