Ryan GRAVENBERCH: 2023/24

Remember when someone on here said he looked miserable, seems the opposite to me

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Thatā€™s I laugh at every photo he is smiling in

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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4hj4R3z-K3s

This guy has a bright future. Love his physicality and ability to carry the ball, and weā€™ve only seen him a handful of times yet.

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The criticisms of him were those made of many technical foreigners - they allow the game to pass them by. So picking a derby as his first league start was a challenge, but he did very well.

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Heā€™s played far above the standards Iā€™ve seen him perform at - Ajax and Bayern both I thought he came across as languid. Maybe at Ajax he was too comfortable and at Bayern he was too afraid to make a mistakeā€¦ who knows. Eitherway he is playing really well and Iā€™m glad to see it. Long may it continue!

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Havenā€™t really had chance to see him play much so Saturday was the first chance and I felt he played well.

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Iā€™d like to try him at the #6 ahead of MacAllister for a game or two, see how he does.

He will definitely do. Been excellent today.

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I donā€™t watch much football aside from Liverpool games. Is Bayernā€™s midfield really so loaded that Gravenberch couldnā€™t get decent mins?

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Sometimes it can just be the wrong club at the wrong time.

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Yes, just goes to prove that two wrongs donā€™t make a right.

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Iā€™m getting Countinho-level robbery vibes. How we go him so cheap off Inter. Ryan off Bayern might be not far away from that!

Now we have two genuine galloping young 8ā€™s

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Very good. If he continues like this and keeps improving, he will have a strong case for entering our starting XI, even when all fit.

We seem to have 4 players who are all best in the #8 positions who will hopefully carry our midfield in the near and longer future. Szoboszlai, Gravenberch, Mac Allister and Jones.

I still think we will need a more serious #6 behind them (donā€™t think Endo is of the calibre to start for us, while Klopp said he believes Mac can also be a #6 long term, I still donā€™t).

Reminds me of (a good) Pogba in some ways!

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Surely the conclusion to take from that is that JĆ¼rgen doesnā€™t really care that much about having a specialist #6?

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Salah and Chelsea spring to mind

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De Bruyne at Chelsea as well

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Basically everyone at Chelsea at this point.

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Bobby under Rodgers

Thereā€™s styles and thereā€™s quality. Iā€™m not saying we need a pure destroyer at #6, but the fact that ā€œweā€™re evolvingā€ doesnā€™t mean that Mac or Endo are the solution for us long term in this position. Hope Iā€™m proven wrong, but so far I donā€™t think theyā€™ll be what we need in this position.

That Ā£111m we offered for Caicedo looks a lot of money now doesnā€™t it? :rofl:

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