I’m really not that interested in his save percentage. If the rest of the team is doing it’s job properly it shouldn’t be an issue. It wasn’t for Adrian last season.
I’m interested in whether or not he can do a passable impersonation of Alisson.
I know it sounds stupid, it last night it was almost like the lads forgot the lad in goal wasn’t Alisson.
I know it sounds stupid, it last night it was almost like the lads forgot the lad in goal wasn’t Alisson.
this was my immediate thought as robertson made the backpass to adrian, and the day began to go to shit
[quote=“Mascot, post:851, topic:51, full:true”]I think you’ve forgotten what actually happened with Karius. This was a lad who after costing us the Champions League made a flashy video of him fannying about in Hollywood or something. That hardly made him easy to root for.
I really don’t understand what you are basing this assessment of Adrian on. I get he had a poor game but is the character assassination necessary?[/quote]
You think me calling him smug is “character assasination”? Or did you miss the part where I said as he’s a member of our club I’ll support him? You’re being a little sensitive and looking to be offended.
@Mascot Someone once told me in one of the many Lovren slating threads that I was going to wear myself out defending him. I think similar might happen for you with Adrian and Gomez today! You’ll never be able to change everyone’s minds.
I didn’t miss it, but I think you’re guilty of protection a character on to him framed entirely by your opinion of his football. He seems well liked in the squad and there are no obvious issues with his character.
Why is it that when a player isn’t good enough, he also has to be a bellend? It reminds me how when Brendan had his teeth fixed it showed what a cunt he is, but when Jürgen did exactly the same thing it’s absolutely fine.
Let’s stick to his performances on the pitch, rather than start criticising his character and personality - of which how we have very little to go on.
For comparison, I never like Lovren. Thought he was a billy big bollocks with an opinion of himself far beyond his ability, and the David Icke stuff was the cherry on top of what was surely a massive bellend we’d be better off without. And then you see Hendo and the rest of the team genuinely gutted to see him go, showering him with praise and love as he departs. Shows that we know very little of these players and their characters.
Fixed it for you. Never really thought of Mourinho as a good talent spotter he’s always been a cheque book manager who goes off reputation and star status as opposed to ability, skills and potential.
Maybe we can go back to Burnley and tell them we’ll give them Wilson and £20m for Tarkowski.
That would be a very good deal…
I don’t really understand what we get by pretending Adrian is a good backup.
He was a spur of the moment pickup after being released by West Ham. Helped us in a pinch and wasn’t totally hopeless (although his contribution was overrated at the time due to the surprise of him being fine).
Since then he has progressively got worse as his limitations have become more clear.
It’s fine to like him, or think he’s a lovely guy, but every other top 6 club has a better backup GK than Adrian.
They don’t, but even if they do the reason for that is that their first choice isn’t as good (and therefore established in his position) as ours.
I fail to see the point? When they have to field their second choice keeper he’s better than ours. The fact we have other players better than theirs doesn’t change that. It’s a weak spot on our side I think we now have to concede needs improving on. We didn’t look at CM and say “well Spearing may not be as good as other teams back up CMs but our starters are better than their starters so let’s just go with it”! I’m not saying spend fortunes it could be a Wijnaldum or Robertson style rescue project or if we had a goalkeeper equivalent of Neco Williams or a Tsimikas style signing. You always hedge too far over on how hard it is to recruit back up and squad players.
Caragher stop it.
In the case of the Goalkeeper it is really hard.
Putting aside his fitness issue for a second, Alisson Becker starts every game. Furthermore he is probably the best goalkeeper in the world right now. Any lad we sign is coming as the clear and unambiguous number two.
There is no scope to tell anyone if they work hard they can take the shirt. There is no scope to let on that the manager isn’t convinced about Alisson and there is a chance. There is no scope to say he’s getting on, will be looking to move on in a year, or anything like that.
The pitch to a number two is you are not getting any games, aside from the domestic cup early rounds and that’s it. You there in case we need you and hopefully we won’t. I’m sorry to say that drastically narrows our recruiting pool on the matter. The lad who was in goal for Villa last night is a decent keeper, but hardly world class, and he left Arsenal because he couldn’t shift Leno.
What I did say earlier on, and to go back to the fitness, is that the injury situation with Alisson is a potential negotiation point. For two seasons in a row he’ll have missed around ten games. That’s something we can potentially sell to a better back up than Adrian.
You’ve been saying exactly the same about LB and forward cover for years yet we signed both this summer in what look like exactly the kind of deals we’d like for a reserve keeper. We are Liverpool. One of the most successful and famous clubs on the planet. You say Alisson plays whenever available but part of the job of the 2nd choice is to be quality enough so Klopp can look to rest his first choice for games other than dead rubbers. For a start as last night showed there really isn’t such a thing.
I can appreciate that you can sell a deal to a left back along the lines of 10 league games a season, and if you want to get off after a couple of years you can.
But you don’t rotate your goalkeeper. Unless you’ve got a shit one, which we haven’t, he plays.
Sorry to butt in but I dont think he has got worse. I think we have got worse defensively and that has progressively shown his limitations. There was a point when we made Karius look good in goal remember. That’s how solid we were.
Goalkeepers have had to morph into something else entirely over the last three seasons and you can easily see who is struggling with that transition. It appears that Adrian is one of them.
Good point on the defence getting worse, and the goalkeeping job thus getting harder.
I think all things considered we may end up moving the dial back a bit… not as miserly as we once were, but possibly not playing quite as open as we seem to do these days.
Mind you, maybe Thiago will help us carry on as we currently are, but he will just help us control games and peg teams back, so seeming defensive ‘frailties’ will be overcome that way.
Agree, or should I say that’s also what I hope to see. Two holding players have a better chance of plugging the holes when TAA and Robertson bomb on but with Thiago you have that ability to control the game and possession. Do it right and you literally squeeze the life out of the opposition.
I’d really like to see a tactical analysis or even picking Klopps brains on why we’ve regressed defensively. I’m sure the numbers would back that up. Shots on goal etc.
For me panicking and making a last minute signing doesn’t address this. Good thing we have a coach that thinks the same way.
Adrian is kind of what you expect with a backup keeper. He’s experienced, he knows the league and he’s at a stage in his career where he’s okay with just the odd game here or there instead of being number one at a lower level club.
He wasn’t this error prone at West Ham if memory serves. Perhaps we’re expecting more from him than he’s capable of. Perhaps the shirt weighs just a bit too heavy on him. But he isn’t the only one who seriously let themselves down yesterday. Most of those that played would be in our best 11 or have won the league and CL with us. Conceding 7 to Villa isn’t just down to him.
He’s a backup. You hope to never see him play ideally. We could possibly do better than him but the profile of player you want for that role is never going to be that good compared to your number one.
