I think Adrian dropped a clanger, but the issue is a bigger system issue, and the team is too open. Several fans have jumped on the obvious point about the high line, but there’s a bit more to it. We seem way too vulnerable, and that is not just down to the goalkeeper.
I love Klopp’s instinct, which is to work on it. He has some good brains around him, and I’m sure we will get the balance right.
I’d like to understand this. Klopp has always played a high line since he’s been with us but are we higher still this season? what other little tactical nuances have changed?
At times it looked an even higher line to me against Villa… sometimes we were holding a line almost on the halfway.
It is possible this will all make sense once Thiago is in the groove, as most of the play might then be in the final third, so the high line won’t seem as high as the pitch will be so condensed.
But it’s one to watch. And it’s partly why we love the game. Just when you have some things worked out, other issues present themselves, and in a way it is never ending.
back up keeper is becoming, if not has become, a specialist position, someone who is good enough and mentally strong enough for perhaps the most challenging squad position.
theres a raft of keepers that have made a career out of the position.
maybe we need to overcompensate someone like Reina (first name that came to mind) to coach AND sit on the pine.
the stakes are too high to just accept a back up keeper could be from the seaford over 45s because at least he will accept sitting.
doesnt really prove or disprove your theory…just a comment on the matter.
we should be shopping for the best money can buy , and if it requires overcompensation, then so be it.
probably doesnt change the Villa result, but a better back up keeper might be worth quite a few points and cup ties (which includes prize money and gate reciepts) along the journey.
barca messed around a bit with the idea a few years ago, but just didnt get it right.
Did we forget this?
I am not giving Adrian a free pass on Sunday’s result, but everyone makes a gaff once in a while
Or, in Adrián’s case, an error leading to a goal every fourth game on average. 
Sure. Errors leading to a goal since the start of last season:
Alisson 1 in 32 games.
Adrian 3 in 12 games. (I actually count 4 but I’ll go with WhoScored)
they ever tried training grujic in central defence? he can’t run but he’s big & he’s good in the air, and he isn’t likely to get near our midfield. he’s gonna be here anyway
Doubt it would happen
One of the great things about klopp is his faith in his squad. He won’t be casting them aside after the villa result.
We are still talking about a team/squad who achieved some pretty amazing things so far.
I just can’t see him telling joe’ well Markos here now so he might as well train for your spot’
I think we’ll see the main four and if we absolutely require depth it wouldn’t be out of the question for Marko to get a run there- I mean Igor Biscan got a go at it ( waits for the storm). - but I’d still say Williams would be used first.
Yes, we signed both this season but it isnt as if we haven’t been trying in previous seasons.
He was fouled…
Havent seen the game, but this was my first thought. When Adrian first played for us the team did a lot to minimise his involvement.
This was the most baffling thing about Sunday. There is already a run of games from last season that shows that the team knows what to do when Adrian is in.
So I do not understand why Robertson is giving him a chest high pass with a Villa player bearing down on him. I don’t understand why the defence is on the halfway line.
I don’t think it’s that hard to sign a backup goalkeeper, but maybe the staff at LFC think that Adrian is good enough for the position, which many of us disagree with. Someone wrote above that he’s the worst backup in top 6, I’d say that he’s in the bottom 6 of the backup keepers in the league. And my opinion is not based on just the last game. He cost us the Atletico game (so similar to Karius, just at an earlier stage). Last season when he was in goal, we might have won all our games, but I think he didn’t have a clean sheet and we had to compensate him, we were playing with a handicap basically, once Alisson got back, the clean sheets came back (iirc we had something like 8 in a row).
On signing a backup:
Fraser Forster returned to Southampton where the first choice is McCarty, so he came to sit on the bench. They also have Angus Gunn, I guess he’s now clear third choice. Those two are, in my opinion, better than Adrian and I’m pretty sure they’ll swap the Saints bench with ours esp. Gunn (who is not even making their bench).
David Button was Brighton’s second choice keeper and he signed with West Brom to be second choice. Now even West Brom have better backup keeper than us (again imo).
Peacock-Farrell at Burnley is clearly second choice behind Pope and from what I’ve seen (admittedly not much), he’s also better than Adrian… etc etc, my point is that there are many keepers that are fine with being second choice and they know that they will get minutes only when the starting keeper is not available.
And that is just off the top of my head and I don’t have that broad view (especially outside the premier league), I’m pretty sure there are many other keepers that will be more than happy to sit on our bench and I’m sure that the club would have found one if wanted. Apparently either the people in the club think Adrian is good enough or they are planning on some of our young keepers to take that role from Adrian in a season or so and don’t want to sign someone else now (timing). I hope and think it’s the latter - maybe with the brazilian lad.
I don’t think that the names you have listed a necessarily better than Adrian, but you are definitely missing the point of my argument.
It’s not about just signing a better back up keeper. It’s recognising that our first choice keeper is so good, that invariable impacts on the quality of the player we can bring in to deputise.
Just to pluck one name from your list. If David Button works hard, impresses in training he has an outside chance of taking the number one shirt. Their current first choice is bang average. If he moves to Liverpool, he isn’t taking Alisson shirt. He just isn’t
The last point is that we are now declaring David Button a better keeper that Adrian show the farcical level this debate has decended to.
Is Adrian average. Yep. Could we do with a better back up? That would be nice. Is he the worst keeper in the league? Don’t be utterly absurd.
This happens whenever we take against a player, or a manager for that matter. It’s not enough to agree he isn’t good enough and we need an upgrade. He has to be the very worst. it’s almost like some weird race to see who can go further in their over the top assessment.
You rate Adrian higher than I do and that’s fine, but I’m allowed to have an opinion and I’m allowed to be wrong 
nothing absurd in that.
He’s way below average, average is someone like Fabianski. Not only that I think he’s the worst keeper in the league in the moment, but I think he’s one of the worst of the second choice keepers. I can’t think of a second choice keeper that I’ve seen play that I rate lower than Adrian, except for Kepa probably.
West Ham weren’t happy with Adrian as second choice and didn’t offer him new contract…
https://twitter.com/Richmaple3lions/status/1313236616920604688?s=19
honest question. Do you think Adrian was wholly responsible for the other night?
Furthermore that tweet is awful. Even Alisson has been struggling for clean sheets of late which to me indicates that there is something not right in front of both of them. Personally i’d be focusing my efforts there rather than binning Adrian.
No, I don’t think that and I didn’t say that.
The point that I disagreed with is that it’s hard to get a better second choice - I think it’s very easy to get a better second choice if we wanted to, but probably that is because I rate Adrian very lowly (in general, not only because of the Villa game).
The tweet just shows our results with Adrian in the team. 3 clean out of 16 starts playing behind the best defense in the league is terrible. And those stats are for last season where Adrian played only before the restart, our defense was awesome in that period, with Alisson in goal we were racking up clean sheet after another.
Understood. Sorry I didn’t catch your earlier posts on the matter.
